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Drama DC 2011

    inbetween posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:40:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Prelude:

    Still being in, I had to attend the 3 day DC this year. Well, actually, it was not soooo bad. Some parts were quite interesting, like the explanation of the covenants, the illustrations and Jesus personality. Of course, here and there was the obvious spin of the WTS.

    Sunday afternoon finally came, and I thought by mayself, ok, only the drama, what can go wrong with a biblical drama...well, I was really naiv...here my short summary:

    Theme:

    It was about Joseph, being sold by his brothers to Egypt....actually, no matter if the story is real or a myth, it is a good story, and anyone can draw something valuable from it. There would not be really a need to alter it, or even to add a modern application

    Well, the WTS, writting committee or whoever writes the Dramas thought different.

    After the opnening scene, when Joesph was ridiculed by his brothers, a modern scene was played. A young brother was apparently just filling in an application for aux.pio. was mocked by other witnesses (obviuosly representing the mean brothers of Joseph). They even wanted to invite him to a premiere of a Vampire film (twilight bashing again...)

    (The message: If you do not consider aux.pio. or support others doing it, and to top it of, you go to Twilight movies, you are spiritully weak, almost opposers, enemies of Gods people, treacherous brothers....)

    Well, the young brother stood his ground. scene switches to old times again, Joseph being already in Egypt, and Potiphars wife tries to seduce him etc...

    Modern switch: At school the young brother was approached by an obvious bad girl. She did not succeed in seducing him, so she posted a slanderous story on her webpage about having sex with him on a particular evening.

    While with different scenes the old story with Joseph goes on, he being accused falsely, thrown into prison, being brought before Pharao etc..the modern application was always shown also, but then it became really weird, even shocking !!

    The young brother receiced the typical visit of two elders, because someone informed them about the story the girl posted on her webside. So far so good, but how they proceeded there, was so shocking, I think people around me could hear my jaw drop....

    The elders, instead of merely asking him, wether there is something true on this story, they went not one but many steps further. After he denied any contact with this girl, they asked him for an alibi on that particular evening, when the intercourse according to the story should have happened ! And after he told, were he was, they said, they will check it out and come back to him.....

    The elders acted like Police, not like loving sheperds, who are first and foremost supposed to know their flock and to believe their brothers !!!

    Well the story ends, after showing how Joseph became highly privileged in Egypt, being second after Pharao, as the counterpart, the young brother was invited to say the concluding prayer at a field service meeting....wtf ?????

    It really left an awful aftertaste, in my opinion, the worst drama I can remember at an assembly. Even last years speculating story of the 1st century Christians was better...

    baltar447 posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:24:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Yeah, I thought this was strange, what happened to the two witnesses rule?

    Sapphy posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:27:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Yes, they should have been more realistic - the girl wouldn't have posted a particular day they 'did it', the boy really wouldnt have been enjoying a wholesome meal with the CO and wife etc.

    In reality it's guilty until proven innocent, but if the boy denied it, 'officially', they couldnt do anything because you need two witnesses...

    How anyone ever gets disfellowshipped for sex is beyond me. (If you're a good liar & don't get pregnant)

    CuriousButterfly posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:12:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    It was odd. One point I had a "what the heck" moment when after his alibi the young man's mother said he was exonerated AFTER the other young girl confessed what the "wordly" girl was up too. When she was confronted by her parents she caved and said she made it all up. I would think that after his alibi......case closed.

    DesirousOfChange posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:33:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    How anyone ever gets disfellowshipped for sex is beyond me.

    Boys tend to brag. If they tell about it to two of their "friends" they just provided the two witnesses.

    breakfast of champions posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:41:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    My wife pointed out to our car group how wrong it was for the elders to suggest an alibi was needed. I said child molesters got off easier.

    Later that night, my wife reconciled the alibi request being necessary because the kid signed on to pioneer, thus needeing to be beyond reproach. Still, it was ridiculous.

    M wobble posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:51:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    What aspect of a JW's life is not policed by the Stazi/Nazi Elders ?

    The problem with this sort of mind control is that even decent Elders feel guilty if they are seen to be "soft" on "wrongdoers" and the whole org. gets harsher and meaner.

    The R&F roll over and accept this kind of outrageous behaviour and attitude. I see they had to pretend someone else did the spying on the girls FB page or wherever,and then informed them. The R&F see nothing wrong with using a system of informers, the parallels between Cold War Communist regimes and the workings of the WT are amazing.

    "All it takes for evil to prosper is for a good man to do nothing"

    TDaze posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:33:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    The R&F


    Sorry, not a native English speaker. What's that?

    F Gayle posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:46:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    It's ironic, that the WTS states to all JWs not to believe everything on the Internet and then turn around, and make a big deal, confrontation, possible judical committee meeting on what is stated on the Facebook. So contradictory! I so feel sorry for the JW kids.

    Mad Sweeney posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:54:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    The R&F


    Sorry, not a native English speaker. What's that?

    Rank and File. It is a reference to the foot soldiers of the Watchtower, as opposed to ranking officers.

    DarioKehl posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:59:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    I agree...

    Sunday's drama was most unusual. The writers seemed to go out of their way to demonize "weak youth" within the congregation. As I grew up in DubLand a zealous goodie-goodie, I had my share of rebellious enemies, but none were as vindictive and cruel as to "frame" someone. Ironically, as I continue my fade, I've reestablished contact with many of the "bad" people I was trained to hate on and report. It's been wonderful so far. I've had opportunities to apologize, make amends and share my story of awakening with them. And I've had the chance to even forgive others who "ratted" me out in the past. It's amazing how much everyone, even formerly incompatable personalities, can all get along now that we share a common bond of being stuck inside a powerful and highly controlling sect and escaping from it.

    My favorite drama was Saturday's about that family! There is another post on here (as I've lurked daily for the past few weeks) discussing it in detail. I wanted to comment on it THE DAY I watched it because I was so stunned, but I didn't want to get busted around the group I was with. ANYWAY... It seems that there's a mole in the writing department or something! The way the Dub family was portrayed reminded me of the Stepford Wives! I leaned over and told my brother (who I strongly suspect has mentally faded but is stuck in with wife and kids) that "The only one who makes sense in this skit is the rebellious son and daughter!" They mentioned endosymbiotic theory--a topic I studied very closely as I attained my sinful college degree in the sciences. Does the GB/WBTS not think every doubting person--especially internet-savy young ones--aren't going to run home and Google "endosymbiotic theory?" Hell, they all have iPhones and Blackberries! I'm sure attendees are googling the info from their seats! I SURE DID. As I sat in my seat, I whipped out the smart phone and googled "endosymbiosis" to share with my brother giving him a "whaddya think about that?" look (he already doubts the flood account and laughed heartily when I wrote "OVERLAP!?!?!?" in large letters during the Friday morning talk). Back to Saturday drama topic: The wife, father and that ridiculous portrayal of a tween boy was nauseating. The GB/WBTS must actually think their drones behave and speak that way full time! They seemed like they were zombified! The "balloons in the football field" experiment only solidified how ridiclous it is to take the story of the flood literally and that little brown-nosing brat was just lappin' it up! His carefully placed questions were only there to encite guilt among the audience ("awwwww, he wants his big brother at family bible study night..." as teary-eyed DubMothers fan themselves). And the girl's worldly boyfriend was the one who actually said he heard about JWs by reading things online and told her they're a cult! They used the word CULT. Again, imagine a doubting elder, a jaded servant, new bible study, a troubled teen who hates being there, someone who responded to the invitation campaign, or a contribution box attendant with no one looking over their shoulder hearing that from the stage and thinking, "Really? I wonder what people are saying about us online. Oh wait a sec! I have an Android in my pocket!"

    Other demonstrations throughout the weekend VERY CLEARLY left everyone in attendance with the following subliminal codes:

    GOOD = GB/WBTS, self-sacrifice for the ministry more, more and MORE and not making your parents cry.

    DEFINITELY BAD = the iPad, the internet, independent thinking, college, sports, dating, playing guitar, worldy people, texting, "Twilight," modern music (and hiding it in your dresser because Jah will make sure needy elders move into your room and get you busted!) and of course, any and all faded or inactive Dubs!!!

    It's almost as if WBTS has a mole or they want people to search and start doubting so they can go after "brazen conduct!"

    THOUGHTS??????????

    BTW: out of 6,000 people at the one I attended, 13---yes, only THIRTEEN--people took the plunge in the pool Saturday morning. 4 were children. I had to hide my tears as I ate my water-logged ham sammich.

    sabastious posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:18:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Well the story ends, after showing how Joseph became highly privileged in Egypt, being second after Pharao, as the counterpart, the young brother was invited to say the concluding prayer at a field service meeting....wtf ?????

    LOL!

    CuriousButterfly posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:28:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    BTW: out of 6,000 people at the one I attended, 13---yes, only THIRTEEN--people took the plunge in the pool Saturday morning. 4 were children. I had to hide my tears as I ate my water-logged ham sammich.

    We had a little under 5,100 and 17 baptized, mostly looked like minors....and I was eating a ham sandwich too that was soggy. LOL

    F Gayle posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:18:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Dario shows baptized at assembly was .2% of attendance and CuriousButterfly' assembly showed .3% of attendance. A good low percentage, not impressive.

    With the combined attendance of those two district assemblies, and if those were in the U.S. considering on an average of 86 pubs per cong (so not counting non-pubs. however), therefore involving possibly 130 congs., and only a total of 30 people baptized, makes about 1 person baptized per 4 congs. Again, not so impressive with all the work they have to do.

    DarioKehl posted Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:21:00 GMT(7/12/2011)

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    Yes, Gayle

    Even in 2008-2009, the convention I attended in the midwest had ~6,000 but the baptisms were 50-60 people. I've seen other posters on here and all seem to be reporting abyssmal numbers for 2010-2011! I believe YouTube especially is having a profound effect!

    RagingBull posted Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:47:00 GMT(7/13/2011)

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    All I got from it was... "Joseph, second to Pharoah?...hmmm, I think I'll get into Politics!" hahahahaaaaa

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:38:00 GMT(7/13/2011)

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    It really left an awful aftertaste, in my opinion, the worst drama I can remember at an assembly.

    I'd suggest rinsing your mouth with the alcoholic beverage of your choice. Swich, swallow, repeat. I haven't seen the Saturday drama yet. I'm still trying to recover from the messed up Sunday program.

    Here was my take on the drama:
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/212145/1/DC-Sunday-Drama

    inbetween posted Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:34:00 GMT(7/14/2011)

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    Billy, thanks for the link, didn't see the post.

    Saturday drama, well was actually not soooo bad, but the program had some "valuable" lessons, how to deal with apostates. I recommend that for all of you...

    TDaze posted Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:24:00 GMT(7/14/2011)

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    Rank and File. It is a reference to the foot soldiers of the Watchtower, as opposed to ranking officers.


    Thank you, that makes sense. We call em the footsoldiers in Dutch.

    Anony Mous posted Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:59:00 GMT(7/14/2011)

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    The drama really showed how the org. on a local level really works. The intention was to make clear that this type of behavior from elders is not only expected but also encouraged and that if you're a widow or an orphan (the kind Jesus and the OT said to protect against this type of behavior) you really should keep an elder as close friend (maybe your mom should screw uncle Jack) or else you will be railroaded by the next Judicial Committee.

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