What proof is there that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919?

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    VM44 posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:47:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    What proof is there that Jesus inspected all the religions or the earth in 1919 and then chose the Bible Students?

    Just because The Watchtower says in its literature that they were chosen is not proof!

    TheClarinetist posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:05:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Watching this topic.

    finallysomepride posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:22:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Good question, absolutely zero proof

    sabastious posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:29:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    They don't point to the times of 1919 to answer that question. They point to everything after that year as evidence that their self proclamation was both correct and deserving.

    -Sab

    NVR2L8 posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:55:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    The teachings approved by JC in 1919 are considered appostasy today...or is it the opposite? I use to believe that the growth in membership was the evidence JC was behind the organisation...until I realized that other movements like the revived pentacostal church as grown much faster without doing any door to door preaching!

    VM44 posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:03:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    It appears that The Watchtower was chosen by Jesus in 1919 because The Watchtower says so!

    GB member David Splane has said that The Watchtower (or Bible Students, now called JWs) were chosen because they were sincere people!

    It is interesting to note that 1919 is the year that "Judge" Rutherford was released from prison.

    PYRAMIDSCHEME posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:14:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Hitler was sincere...that doesnt make him right.

    DarioKehl posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 04:24:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    None what-so-ever! Unless you browse the Daniel book. It mentions 1919 in almost every paragraph. I remember, before realizing it's ALL BS, leaning to the brother next to me and saying, "What...is 1914 a thing of the past now?" and he chuckled.

    MeanMrMustard posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:36:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    This is why 1914 is so important. Their "proof" for 1919 is 1914 and the subsequent "captivity", which they connect to all sorts of scriptures that have nothing to do with it. To the WT, the Kingdom was set up in 1914. Jesus needed to pick his earthly representatives at that point. He picked the WT because, well, they were lesser of all the evils. It seems that they were "sincere" and "on the watch", so they were it! But they were filthy with Babylonian-the-Great-like practices. As the WT says:

    *** w55 5/1 p. 266 Part 9—Postwar Revival of the Witnesses ***

    For example, up to and including their 1918 troubles these witnesses of the Most High God still trusted excessively in so-called “character development,” indulged in considerable creature worship, accepted earthly political governments as the “superior authorities” ordained of God (Rom. 13:1, NW), and thus were held in fear of man, particularly civil rulers. Also they celebrated some pagan holidays, such as Christmas, they used the symbol of the cross as a sign of Christian devotion, the name of Jehovah they had in the background, and organizationally they continued to practice the democratic style of local congregational government.

    So Jesus sends them off into a Babylonian-like captivity for year. This is why the leadership was sent to prison. It wasn't Satan. It was Jesus... he was "refining" them. They emerge in 1919 all cleansed and ready to serve! Well, not really cleansed... I guess you can say they were "cleansed".. since they still used the cross and celebrated Christmas into the late 1920s....
    In any case, if you loose 1914, you loose 1918... and 1919... And of course, you loose 1914 if 607 turns out to be false... or any of the other speculations in between 607 and 1914, like the year-day "principle"....
    *shrugs*...
    Its a mess....

    M wobble posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:57:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    This is the religion's Achilles Heel. There is no evidence for, zilch, sod-all.

    There is plenty of evidence against. A metric ton or three.

    The problem is, their cult controlled minds will not consider the question ! They do not look at the evidence, or think about it, as an Elder said to me on the subject "I am happy that there is enough evidence" There was no way he was going to look for that evidence , or examine the evidence.

    I have thought of putting it another way, and asking :

    "Can you explain to me why Jesus did not choose the Christadelphians in 1919 ?" (I am not advocating the CD's, they are as deluded as any religion)

    I know the JW's will pick on something the Christadelphians believe in now that JW's don't now, but present JW beliefs are not relevant, it's1919 we are talking about. Stick to that, if you get a chance to pose the question.

    The C'Delphs. taught then what they teach now and have since the late 1800's,no need for constant "Noo Lite" for them, and it ain't much different from modern JW think. The CD's were Conscientious Objectors , proper ones, from the time of the Civil War, Rutherfords lot were very weak on this.

    They were a better established and larger group in 1919 than Rutherford and gang.

    So, why did Jesus not choose them ?

    M Black Sheep posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:22:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    mAlice/Spade will be along to supply the answer soon.

    M Honesty posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:49:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Hey apostates,

    Jesus personally chose them in 1919 because they were preaching the Good News and were celebrating Christmas and Easter and were worshiping Jesus.

    It is now 2011 and they are still speaking for God even when he screws with their feeble minds and sends out the wrong memo because they take God's

    wrong memo and obediently print what is in the memo and distribute the 4-11 in the pages of God's new bible, the Watchtower magazine.

    When God realises that he sent the wrong memo he takes immediate action by sending a new memo and covering up his first memo that was wrong by telling

    the Gibbering Buddy it is New Light.

    St George of England posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:01:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Well worth watching:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx3aXaPiXmA

    and also:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRz4bepvYE

    George

    TotallyADD posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:10:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    One evidence they give is since 1919 Satan has not been able to touch them. That Jehovah will keep them from being destoryed. Also they like to use the growth of the organization as evidence that they are right. You can also use that same argument with other religions. Totally ADD

    M Tuesday posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:16:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    I actually did a video on this, there was an article in 1991 which explains three things that the Watchtower was that no other religion was in 1919.

    St George of England posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:18:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Or even 1918 if you read some Watchtowers

    See Blacksheeps scan:-

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/207912/1/1874

    George

    PS on the DVD released last year David Splane said Jehovah chose the Bible Students as early as 1916! I think there is a YouTube video on this also.

    F lovelylil posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:07:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Because they said so .

    No but really there is NO PROOF whatsoever! We just have to take Chuck Rusell's word for it. We know how honest he was........can someone say miracle wheat???

    M passwordprotected posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:10:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    The WTBTS has normally pointed to the liberation from prison of Rutherford and the directors, followed by their "zealous preaching" as proof of their selection.

    However, this line of evidence relies upon Jesus having returned and found them awaiting his arrival in 1914, something that the Proclaimers book refutes; they were saying Jesus had returned in 1874 by the time 1914 rolled around.

    Therefore their evidence doesn't stand even cursory scrutiny:

    • what was Jesus looking for among Christendom?
      • a people awaiting his arrival and serving "spiritual food" of high quality
    • the Bible Students (under CT Russell and then Rutherford) were preaching in 1914 that Jesus had returned 40 years earlier (Russell had sold his business and poured his resources into publishing literature to that effect
      • in 1914 the Bible Students weren't alert and waiting for Christ's return; they'd announced it as 1874
    • the Bible Students would not have met with Jesus' alleged criteria for selection, regardless of how high a quality their "spiritual food" was
      • therefore Jesus did not choose them in 1919

    All of that being said, the years 1914 and 1919 are almost exclusively associated with the Watch Tower Society. As Jesus couldn't have chosen them in 1919, there is absolutely no basis for any Christian to believe that the Watch Tower Society (via the Bible Students and then Jehovah's Witnesses) speaks for God or was chosen by God.

    The Witnesses are unable to rebut this point by invoking Proverbs 18 and "the light getting brighter" as Christ wouldn't have been refining the Bible Students/Jehovah's Witnesses since 1919. He didn't choose them. Therefore not once has he revealed "new truths" to them.

    Any evidence posited by the Watch Tower Society that Christ returned in 1914 in the first place can't be taken seriously either. The whole reason the Witnesses believe what's published by the WTBTS is because they believe that Jesus chose the Bible Students in 1919. As we've seen, he can't have, therefore their end-times eschatology is just plain old guess work by some old men Brooklyn.

    The scale and scope of the circular logic needed to believe and support the 1919 selection is mind boggling.

    It's always worth pointing out to a Witness what the "advertise advertise advertise" campaign by the Bible Students upon their "selection" in 1919 consisted of:

    “For six thousand years God has been preparing for this kingdom. For nineteen hundred years he has been gathering out the kingdom class from amongst men.

    Since 1874 the King of glory has been present; and during that time he has conducted a harvest and has gathered unto himself the temple class.

    Since 1914 the King of glory has taken his power and reigns. He has cleansed the lips of the temple class and sends them forth with the message. The importance of the message of the kingdom cannot be overstated.

    It is the message of all messages. It is the message of the hour. It is incumbent upon those who are the Lord’s to declare it.

    The kingdom of heaven is at hand; the King reigns; Satan’s empire is falling; millions now living will never die….
    The world must know that Jehovah is God and that Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. This is the day of all days.
    Behold, the King reigns! You are his publicity agents. Therefore advertise, advertise, advertise, the King and his kingdom!

    Source
    I've blogged about 1919 and the lack of evidence on my blog.

    isaacaustin posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:20:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    VM44, the WT says so!! What other proof do you need? LOL

    isaacaustin posted Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:21:00 GMT(3/28/2011)

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    Ok, I did ask my father this once. His reply? "Jesus said he would raise up a FDS in the last days." Of course, this answer is in direct conflict to the WT who claim that the FDS has existed since Jesus day.

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