Beards vs. Bow Ties: Which is more "immodest" or attention drawing?

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    M Open mind posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:09:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    If you were on a hiring panel for a new Chair of the Federal Reserve Board, would either a neatly trimmed beard or a bow tie even register on your dress and grooming "radar"?

    I'm talking Ben Bernanke, (current Chairman of the Fed)

    http://www.amarketplaceofideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Ben-Bernanke-Beard.jpg

    vs.

    Richard Abrahamson, Secretary/Treasurer of the WTB&TS of Pennsylvania since 2000. I looked all over and couldn't find a picture of him, but he's famous for his bow ties. He probably sleeps with one on.

    (For the record, this isn't Richard Abrahamson)

    http://static2.dmcdn.net/static/video/197/327/26723791:jpeg_preview_large.jpg?20101211044046

    You can probably guess where I'd go with this if talking to local elders.

    om

    im stuck in posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:14:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    I am always turned off by bowties they look childish in my opinion. Why do you think Pee Wee Herman has one? But I also pretty much hate neckties as well. I only wear one when I have too. Beards look fine I like the short ones especially. stuck in

    brotherdan posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:15:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    I think both should be fine! But I see where you're going. Bow ties are more distracting. The JWs really need to get over their fear of the hippies and their beards. Beards and goatees are worn by respectable men all over the world.

    If they really want to keep an outlaw on facial hair how 'bout just outlawing facial hair on women?

    minimus posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:15:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Ben looks like a disfellowshipped elder.

    MeanMrMustard posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:31:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    @brotherdan,

    I don't know... I've seen some pretty decent facial hair on sisters ... I mean, if you were standing 10 ft away, you could see... well, at least a good shadow. :)

    MeanMrMustard

    Mr. Falcon posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:46:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    I'm not gonna dig on bowties because it's just my opinion some people on this board me like them. But all the J-dubbs I've ever known who wear bow-ties were just basically attention whores. Oooooohhh look at me! I'm different!

    Maybe it's just a sub-conscience act of desparation to try to express individuality. Trying to look different from the other cattle being led to the slaughter, who knows. Made some of these cats look like they were Muslims.

    M Open mind posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:59:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Mr. Falcon: "Maybe it's just a sub-conscience act of desparation to try to express individuality."

    I think you've nailed it in JW world.

    JW #1: "Do you know Bro Abrahamson from Bethel?"

    JW #2: Blank stare.

    JW #1: "You know, he works in the Treasurer's office and always wears a bow tie."

    JW #2: "Oh, yeah! I know him."

    om

    miseryloveselders posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:04:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Occasonally my brother wears a bow tie. He looks like a Nation of Islam member when he does it.

    By the way, there's not a gay bone in my body, but Bernanke looks good in that picture. Very distiguished.

    M Open mind posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:53:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    If I were sitting on an interview panel for someone applying for a job that called for conservative business attire, both a beard and a bow tie would register on my radar.

    Let's make it a 1 to 10 scale.

    1 = Uber conservative: Dark suit, white shirt, boring tie, clean shaven, short neatly trimmed hair, no visible tats or piercings.

    10 = Crazy time: Clown suit, multiple tats, piercings, gauging, hair dyed all colors of the rainbow.

    On this scale, a beard or bow tie would probably bump the guy up to a 1.5 or a 2. But that just shows a bit of individuality, IMO. It would still be considered acceptable business attire. And whatever number you attach to it, I think bow ties are just a tiny bit (not much) more attention-drawing than beards in current American society.

    Anyone from other countries want to weigh in?

    om

    M BurnTheShips posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:56:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    I sometimes wear a full beard. I sometimes wear a bow tie. Bow ties are useful. You never forget someone in a bow tie.

    BTS

    M Open mind posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:39:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Thanks to everyone for the replies so far.

    I just remembered another Bethel-approved badge of individuality, but you've gotta have the genes for it:

    Eyebrows!

    Max Larson & Don Adams really sport some doozies. They certainly could trim them down, but nooooooo. They let those bad boys grow as far as God predetermined they should go.

    Here's Don Adams,

    http://www.aggelia.be/adams_don.jpg

    Max Larson's are, IMO, the biggest in Bethel, but I couldn't find a decent-sized photo of him.

    om

    kimbo posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:49:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Can I have both?

    brotherdan posted Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:57:00 GMT(2/4/2011)

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    Hmmm...beard and a bowtie...it sure doesn't work on Steven Wright....

    M Open mind posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:23:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    LOL @ brotherdan.

    I think his "Mad Scientist" hair stands out the most.

    om

    M stillajwexelder posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:51:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    Bow Ties definitely draw more attention IMHO

    mamalove posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:55:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    Nice beards are sexy. So I vote for beards more attention drawing.

    VOLO posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:15:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    In my old congregation, one of our elders (one of the kind ones) was an old-school architect who went stariught from the office to the meetings and he always wore bow ties because when he started out drafting was with ink on paper and regular ties smeared the drawings and got stained. When I'd see him downtown he was usually with other architects and many of the older ones wore bow ties too so for him it wasn't a fashion statement or to be "different". To him they were completely normal. He stepped down after a new superfine apostle CO told him the tie made it hard for the cong to concentrate on what he was saying, which really said more about HIM than it said about the elder or the congregation since we'd all been listening to Br Bowtie for years without any problem. Maybe the CO should have paid more attention to the brother's parts and less to his clothes. I say that because as far as I know Br Bowtie is still going to the meetings (altho he never bothered to try to get back his "Privilege" of service) and the superfine CO ended up running off with aniother elder's wife and getting DF'd.

    M Open mind posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:16:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    My wife came up with the JW female analogue to beards.......................

    Slacks!

    Well-tailored slacks are fine for women in the business community, but woe to the JW woman who dares to don a pair for the Kingdom Hall.

    om

    M Open mind posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:21:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    Wow, Volo.

    Too bad the elder/architect didn't ask the CO to give the Secretary/Treasurer of the WTB&TS a phone call for his input on this life-or-death issue.

    om

    F chickpea posted Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:43:00 GMT(2/5/2011)

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    there was a bethel rep who dedicated the hall built here in 1990-ish...

    abrahms i think his name was, and he wore a bow tie

    also a substiture CO out of duluth mn.... ness
    always wore a bow tie, even on the platform
    at CA's

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