The Phasing Out Of The Public Watchtower Magazine

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    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:41:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    I've been thinking about this for a while now. It seems to me that the WTBTS is taking steps towards phasing out public editions of The Watchtower.

    Here are a couple of points of evidence to see there is a real possibilty for a move in this direction:

    1. The monthly "Start Bible Studies On The Initial Call Service Day" is evidence of a more direct drive to recruit new members. On this day, Publishers are actively discouraged from placing magazines.

    2. Publishers no longer receive a personal subscription, or monthly allotment of the Watchtower and Awake!. Instead, there are general stacks of the monthly journals on the literature counter of the Kingdom Hall for members to use in the ministry. Whatever is not used, is to be returend to the counter at the end of the service day. This is a direct effort to reduce the amount of magazines being printed, and I know that I have been personally less likely to use them, if they are not available at home. So, indirectly, it may be a way to get the Publishers out of the habit of placing so many magazines monthly.

    3. A couple years ago, we started using the Study Edition and the number Public Edition sets was reduced to one per month. It could be, in addition to other reasons, that this was developed to reduce the shock that may come to some when the Public Edition is no longer in print. So, it won't be as if there is "No more Watchtower!?", rather it would be viewed as "a loving provision from The Faithful Slave" to streamline the ministry and make service "easier."

    I feel like this makes a lot of sense, logically. Here are some reasons:

    1. Most people don't read their magazines anyway. I know this, because I frequently am assigned the parts on the meetings to review the magazines, and the same 2 - 4 individuals comment on every article discussed. So, really, they are out placing literature they've never even read. Hypocritical? Most definitely. But, we get so much crap thrown at us, it's pretty difficult to find time to read anything BUT the WTBTS publications, and if we're lucky, The Bible.

    2. It would streamline the ministry. It's difficult for many to keep coming up with a new presentation for the magazines. I'm sure this discourages some from going in the ministry, as they feel like they are unprepared. If we only had one publication that we used in the Ministry, such as The Bible Teach Book, and were instructed to offer a Bible Study on the initial call every time, it would make service a lot less embarassing for some, and a lot less work.

    3. It would save the WTBTS a ton of money in printing, and would scale back necessary man-power. If people aren't comfortable placing a book at each call, there is a healthy supply of tracts on various topics, as well as brochures. Tracts are a heck of a lot cheaper to print.

    4. Really, the magazines are just a distraction from starting Bible Studies, or from having any meaningful Bible discussion with a householder. The majority of the members in the congregation are uncomfortable moving from Point A (Placing Magazines) to Point B (developing a PROGRESSIVE Bible Study).

    Thoughts? I apologize if someone else has already suggested this, but I haven't seen it on this forum yet.

    M james_woods posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:52:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    I think that what you are saying has a definite logic going for it.

    This would, I guess, leave the monthly Awake for the public and a single copy of the private Watchtower for the rank & file. Or, even, a link to the private watchtower articles to be printed out locally for the study.

    Certainly they are logistically spinning their wheels by the huge amounts of paper being printed versus actual recruitments resulting from it.

    M undercover posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:53:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    As long as they require dubs to go out in field service and place literature, they'll need the Public edition. They need it for outsiders to see that JWs are balanced, god-fearing, normal, Christians. The more bland, non-confrontational articles are presented here to lure/seduce people to the religion.

    The Kool-Aid edition is for JW eyes only (though easy enough for anyone to get). It's in the Kool-Aid edition where the heavy WT study indoctrination comes in. Laws/rules/counsel/changing doctrine is all layed out in these editions. They can also use the loaded language, buzzwords that connect with the cult mind. Outsiders won't get all that.

    The downside to focusing on Bible studies only is that JWs...or the WTS I should say...don't want people to really study the Bible. They want them to study WT publications. They use the Bible as reference material (often taken out of context) to support their claims/teachings. To actually study the Bible would undermine the attempt at getting new recruits. The WT magazine is the flagship magazine. It is easily recognized. It is their main marketing tool. To drop the public WT would be like RJ Reynolds dropping Camel cigarettes or Anheuser Busch dropping Budweiser.

    M james_woods posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:57:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    To drop the public WT would be like RJ Reynolds dropping Camel cigarettes or Anheuser Busch dropping Budweiser.

    True, but Starbucks recently took the word COFFEE off their logos.

    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:01:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    @undercover,

    I was thinking that those would be the reasons not to do it. But honestly, the Bible Teach book is pretty fluffy stuff, especially if the conductor spins it the right way. I think that the dominance of brand "The Watchtower" may be exactly the reason to get away from using the Public Edition of the journals. It repels people, rather than lure them, IMHO. I've frequently been asked in service "Are you with 'The Watchtower?''. If the Society recognizes that it's getting a bad wrap for not being "Christian" enough, dropping the peddling of the magazine alone would do wonders in improving the public perception of the organization.

    It would be funny to see people start calling us "The Bible Teach" organization. But that will never happen.

    wannabefree posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:01:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    In my opinion, I don't see it going away. It is the flagship of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

    Now that there is a public edition, the public gets articles that may seem more mainstream to them, certainly the study articles would set off alarms to some of the public readers, with those gone, it is easier to appear reasonable.

    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:09:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    People do not become Jehovah's Witnesses by reading The Watchtower. The rhetoric from Circiut Overseers in our area for the last 5-6 years has been that of steering people away from using that magazine in the ministry, honestly.

    One Circuit Overseer in particular told the publishers to stop being "Watchtower-Dropper-Offers" and to start focusing on Bible Studies instead of trying to build a good "Magazine Route."

    What about the possibility of coming out with a series of 20 (or so) "Watchtowers" that replace the brochures? These will be on various topics, and will be one-time standard issues, that people will use for several years. So the name "Watchtower" is still there, but the endless printing/writing of the magazines comes to a stop...and, a publisher can only place so many of them with a Return Visit before they run out of options.

    M undercover posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:09:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    It repels people, rather than lure them, IMHO. I've frequently been asked in service "Are you with 'The Watchtower?''.

    If it was all about changing names that repel people, they'll need to change the name of religion at some point, sooner rather than later. When you identify yourself as a JW, you can see the eyes narrow and the lips tighten. Most people just don't like JWs, even if it's only because they keep knocking on their door early on Saturdays.

    But it could happen... the WTS has done crazier things. JF Rutherford invented the name Jehovah's witnesses to distance the WTS from the Bible Students that were part of Russell's legacy. There's no guessing what a cult leadership will do to try to keep their cult status.

    M Terry posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:13:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    Jehovah's Witnesses can become a hermetic religion.

    Door to door work would be by appointment only.

    Secret handshakes.

    Baptism could become a mystery initiation rite.

    Eventually, mushrooms would become a part of the Kingdom Hall meetings and Armageddon could be declared an internal spiritual battle.

    "Paradise for all tonight at the Memorial service. Don't miss it!"

    Red Kool-Aid could be served. Everybody is encouraged to partake of the emblems just this once.

    We shall all read about it in the newspaper one day and scratch our heads at how 7 million people could die by their own hand.

    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:17:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    @Terry....lol...I don't think so man....

    wasblind posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:22:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    Most people don't like JW's, not because they represent the most High, but because It's a cult.

    M thetrueone posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:24:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    I kind of doubt it for the Watchtower and Awake have been the bread and butter for this organization for decades.

    In a sense its been the brother and sister of the door to door preaching work.

    Mind you since the WT has obtained a notable appearance in the publics eye and the WTS doesn't really want

    people know directly who is calling at their door. The directive now days is to be dismissive and slightly coy at the door

    when presenting the so called massage. It might just come to a time that the WTS would want to totally distance themselves

    in identifying who they are, since the WTS has been lying to the public about so many things for such a long time.

    Such as it is, its my assumption that they will eventually go as far as changing their name completely to distance themselves from

    the old Watchtower corporation. ( WTBS.)

    Reemerging with a new identifying name intact and of course newly presented spiritual light.

    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:24:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    The Watchtower brand is defintely associated with that "cultish" structure. People are afraid of/disgusted by that magazine, not drawn by it.

    therevealer posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:36:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    *** w07 11/1 p. 17 "The Silver Is Mine, and the Gold Is Mine" ***
    When He who says: ‘All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,' fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication."

    they are struggling to come right out and admit that this quote has found its fulfillment "in our day" Ha!

    dontplaceliterature posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:51:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    There is no question that $$$ is the real motivating factor here....

    zoiks posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:54:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    Maybe a move towards just starting "scriptural discussions" and offering bible studies, with a sprinkling of special tracts and campaigns to keep things exciting for the Publishers...?

    M OnTheWayOut posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:01:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    Ever since the voluntary donations/free literature arrangement, the donations have gone downhill. WTS knows it is the members who do the bulk of contributing for the literature. I can imagine them switching to tracts at the door and ditching the mags for an offer. I can imagine them telling the dubs they have to go to the convention to get "this-year's release" as they may discontinue the printing after the initial run of 10 million or less, then tell people it's available online. Soon after a few years of that, they would just go to online unless their convention method keeps attendance way up.

    They are about making money. I think they only have not discontinued public issues is because they don't want to panic the members with that, and the members probably still cover the cost through congregation donations.

    M thetrueone posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:04:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    When you stop and consider where else would these uneducated men get to handle and control 100's of millions

    of dollars and have the personal prestige that they have obtained for themselves ?

    Worthy of noting too is the GB members who are in place now more or less have to cling to this organization as

    a potential security blanket in their advancing years.

    Even if the organization declines in financial aid and support, you can best assume cutting back on expenditures will happen.

    But lets remember folks the WTS is worth over a billion dollars ( US ) world wide, they've got a lot to live off from for a long time.

    therevealer posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:13:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    one can only imagine the frustration of, in the case of the awake, printing almost 40,000,000 copies with no descernable benefits. especially if the pubs are not sending in the donations to cover what have to be substantial costs even with the free labor.

    M thetrueone posted Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:40:00 GMT(1/14/2011)

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    If any magazine that would be stopped my guess at least would be the Awake because the Watchtower has self identifying attributes.

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