Religious Hate Crimes

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    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 08:00:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Jehovah's Witnesses derived their policy of excommunication from 1 Corinthians 5:9-13, a small fraction of religious text compared to the overall compendium of religious books that the world's religions revolve around.

    In my letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

    The conceptual here can be picked up by any Bible based religious group. Jehovah's Witnesses have incorporated this Bible based policy into their belief system.

    http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/1hatred.html

    Can you imagine a religious organization that professes to be Christian but commits some of the most heinous hate crimes in the world? Do you know of any religious organization that enforces and encourages hatred toward those who leave? Although denied by Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watchtower Society is one such religious organization. The leaders of the Watchtower organization masterfully paint flawless "Christian" reputations for their followers, glazing the surface to conceal deep rooted hatred. The strictly enforced policies from the Watchtower Society deny all loyal members from any association with those who have left the so-called "truth", including family members and lifetime friends. When a person becomes baptized within the Watchtower organization and later frees themselves from the bona fide cult, they are expelled or "disfellowshipped" from the organization. Watchtower leaders provide loyal followers with strict instruction to have nothing to do with a "disfellowshipped" person, not even saying hello to them. Much of the Watchtower Society's literature is tantamount to spiritual pornography with clearly defined inflammatory instructions encouraging Jehovah's Witnesses to hate other people. An ongoing malicious campaign of hate, an "us vs. them" attitude is clearly seen within this quasi-religious and spiritual supremacist group. Members believe in the superiority of their "religion" over all other religions. In this arena of spiritual elitism, spiritual lynching runs rampant. A continuous condemning of all other faiths is readily seen. By fostering these extremist views, Watchtower members are displaying unrestrained and overt hatred. This clearly makes the Jehovah's Witnesses an easy to recognize "hate group". Fellow members participating in encouraged and enforced hatred include: the Aryan Nation, the Ku Klux Klan, and radical Islamic groups. This dangerous and destructive atmosphere is harmful and can do an enormous amount of damage in society. Former Jehovah's Witnesses who attempt to expose these dangerous and destructive tactics of the Watchtower Society are labeled as "apostates", and Watchtower leaders falsely accuse such ones as leaving Jehovah to be on Satan's side. Jehovah's Witnesses loathe apostates more than they would a murderer or a pedophile, frightened to even look at such ones. This fear is so extreme that if a Jehovah's Witness encounters a so-called apostate within a grocery store, they will find the nearest produce stand to hide behind, as if they were under physical attack. Watchtower leaders intentionally instill this fear to prevent loyal followers and their financial contributions from leaving, realizing exposure to such "apostates" will enable them to discover the real "truth" behind the Watchtower Society. Through examining the following information one can transparently determine that the supposed "spiritual food" from Jehovah is nothing more than spiritual poison clouding the minds of loyal followers and preventing them from leaving this multi-billion dollar sales corporation.


    Because of “sacred” religious text, Islamic fundamentalists incorporate a physically violent agenda into their religion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

    Within classical Islamic jurisprudence—the development of which is to be dated into the first few centuries after the prophets death—jihad is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law, and may consist in wars against unbelievers, apostates, rebels, highway robbers and dissenters renouncing the authority of Islam.



    In the UK and USA, Christianity has been modernized unlike Islamic fundamentalist states with a reputation for sponsoring terrorism. This creates some ambiguity for the topic at hand. Jehovah's Witnesses may put into practice certain agendas as instructed by the religious text that their religion is based on, but the focus here seems to be somewhat misguided into a religious group instead of the root cause of a religious group's actions. So what's the conclusion to be reached? The overall paradigm of Christianity is sinister, or just Jehovah's Witnesses?

    M Black Sheep posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:26:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Can you find any scriptural precedence for elders to meet in secret to judge the guilt, or innocence, or repentance of a member of the congregation?

    Ask your wife's study conductor.

    Don't accept a distraction or an answer to a slightly different question.

    You need an answer to that question. Not some other question that they would prefer you had asked, or that they have turned it into. Don't let them re-phrase the question before they answer it.

    Personally, when I discovered that I had been born into a high control cult, I called everything I had been taught into question. Everything I thought I knew about God was suspect. Even the religious books my parents beliefs were based on were only mine as an accident of birth. If I had been born to other parents I might be blowing myself up in a market place to get rid of Christians.

    Religious hatred? ..... Don't get the wrong idea from internet forums. Disageement is not hate, even though it is described as such by many cults. Disagreement proves nothing. Deal with the arguments and the quality of the data being discussed. Leave emotion out of it.

    Asking a JW to draw you up a list of Neo-Babylonian Kings showing which kings reigned in which years is not a hate crime against Jehovah's Witnesses. It is just a simple request to answer a question that they should have a standard answer for as it has a bearing on a doctrine it is an absolute requirement to believe. If a baptised member declines to believe it, they will be excommunicated and shunned until they agree to give voice to believing it. That is not the behaviour of any church I am ever going to join.

    Cheers

    Chris

    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:35:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Jehovah's Witnesses appear to be Bible conformists. They've obviously formulated a judicial procedure to address what was stated in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13. I didn't attend my wife's prior church and won't be attending this one, but whatever the case, I can't participate in some hate campaign toward my wife's religion.

    isaacaustin posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:49:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Okay, run along.

    Whatever you perceive on here as hate pales next to the hatred taught by your wife's newfound cult.

    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:03:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    "Okay, run along.

    Whatever you perceive on here as hate pales next to the hatred taught by your wife's newfound cult."

    Who's you to speak unless you have some prior experience.

    isaacaustin posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:06:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    I was raised in the organization from 3 years of age...and attended continuously until I was 23.

    I can relate to many of the experiences here and vefiy much of the happenings in the org.

    Ask me anything you like.

    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:15:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    "Whatever you perceive on here as hate pales next to the hatred taught by your wife's newfound cult."

    What hatred is taught by the cult?

    isaacaustin posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:22:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Obviously you know about their disfellowshipping policy. But do you know how they view the person? Do you know how they view those who leave their group- not over sin but even over not being able to consciencious reason? They are treated the same as someone kicked out over sin. All members, if they want to remain in good stand must shun that person who left...not even saying hello or acknowledging them. Family interactions are allowed only for necessary family business- not for anything social.

    I have a friend who left the organization after 30 years voluntarily, because he could not accept many of their claims. His JW wife of 30 years left him with his JW daughter and he has been shunned ever since 1998. His married son did the same, and he has never been allowed to see his grandchildren. Articles have been printed by the Watchtower...describing those who leave...such as this:

    Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420 A Time and Place for Everything
    Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."-Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22.

    Or here is my favorite:

    The Watchtower, November 15, 1952, page 703, Questions from Readers:

    "In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshipped [disassociated], how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?

    We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. . . Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshipped from his congregation."

    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:49:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Whatever I'm being shown here in the way of information, it's up to each individual to decide how they act on it. I can't control the actions of others. I'm not a theist, but not every person has to share the exact same religious beliefs to be compatible with others.

    isaacaustin posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:52:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    Whatever I'm being shown here in the way of information, it's up to each individual to decide how they act on it. I can't control the actions of others. I'm not a theist, but not every person has to share the exact same religious beliefs to be compatible with others.

    My reply: I agree, you are not responsible for the actions of others. It is up to each individual to decide BUT that is not the case in the JW org. Each member MUST accept and follow whatever the governing body has printed in the Watchtower magazine, or they will be subject to the hatred I described above, and must practice that hatred toward those who leave.

    Spade posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:05:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    I was never a member so I never left. How does this effect me? This is bull, that I should have talk to whatever people about these things. That's why I don't even care for religion in itself if you have to deal with sh-t like this.

    isaacaustin posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:10:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    It really won't effect you in the sense of shunning. You will be considered an unbelieving mate- if they feel you can be converted, they will try..otherwise you will be left alone. Your wife will be forced to choose between loyalty to the or gand you though as far as holidays, blood transfusion, missing meetings, etc. She will likely give up her nonJW friends. If she breaks JW rules she would be subject to the hatred I described.

    In a JWs eyes you are a worldy person who God will destroy if you do not join them/

    PSacramento posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:14:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    That passage of Pauls was directed at a specififc congregation in rgeards to a specific individual.

    It was not directed as "doctrine' but obviously intented to resolve a particular issue with a particular person.

    In all of Paul's writings, does he say to SHUN or not assosicate with people that don't share or no longer share the same religious beliefs?

    This individual in Corinth was doing something that was not only morally wrong, but legally ( in regards to the Law of the Commandments) wrong as well.

    This wasn't an issue of "difference of oinion in regards to doctrine".

    Expel the Immoral Brother!

    5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature a may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

    6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

    9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” b

    Notice what Paul says here:

    11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    Notice that he is making clear the offense and further he states before this:

    5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?

    Notice how Paul says that what this person does is even BEYOND what the pagans do !

    This was such an extreme situation that Paul felt that this unrepentant individual had to be cast out for the better of the whole church since he was "contaminating" it ( ..And you are proud!..).

    Watchtowers Witnesses posted Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:47:00 GMT(10/7/2010)

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    So evidently you don't care for the Six Screens of the Watchtower website. Haven't we been over this already? I don't care for that website either, so I don't go there to get information. I would recommend jwfacts.com if you're truly searching for information about the JW's.

    Your wife is being recruited into a dangerous doomsday cult. A cult that requires its followers to shun their own parents, children or siblings who successfully escape from the organization.

    M james_woods posted Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:46:00 GMT(1/4/2011)

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    I thought I would bring this back up to the top for reference due to the thread about JW/Media popping up today -

    What hatred is taught by the cult?

    Spade, the first hatred of the cult is the believe that they and they alone will be preserved alive when EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH IS TO BE SHORTLY DESTROYED BY THEIR GOD JEHOVAH.

    This means that they are worshipping and approve of what they openly acknowledge to be the worst mass murderer in the history of the earth.

    M thetrueone posted Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:11:00 GMT(1/4/2011)

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    Can you imagine a religious organization that professes to be Christian but commits some of the most heinous hate crimes in the world?

    The Watchtower instills hateful prejudicial crimes by using their shunning policy on to people who may have once members of their

    religious organization and decided further along to leave to join another religious order.

    This is directly in opposition (against the law ) provided in many countries regarding an individual rights and freedoms to pick

    their own faith of choice. This is intensionally insighting hatred and prejudge against a persons own religious choice.

    The hatred aspect is displayed by the remaining family members who are instructed by the WTS to not associate with that individual anymore,

    irregardless of the close family relationship that previously existed.

    M thetrueone posted Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:26:00 GMT(1/4/2011)

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    Want to win a big multi-million dollar law suit against the WTS. $$$

    Find a dozen or so people who were once JWS and left only to find that their family and friends wont associate or even talk to them.

    This insightful hate crime is unjust and illegal in most countries, especially in the United States and Canada.

    These people would become evidential proof as they tell their stories on the witness stand.

    You would also need a group of dedicated compassionate lawyers who are well studied up on Constitutional law.

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