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JWs and medical marijuana

    dogon posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:26:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    Where do JWs stand on the new medical marijuana? I know they would DF for use of it for recreation but if a Dr in California gave it as a perscript, and it was legal to buy and use for medical use, has anyone ran into this yet?

    F blondie posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:52:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    As long as it is legal and properly prescribed, why would there be a problem. jws take morphine or other such drugs as long as it is legal and prescribed by a doctor. I think this comment here illustrates it.

    *** g01 11/8 p. 30 From Our Readers ***

    Marfan’sSyndrome In the article "Coping With Marfan’s Syndrome—When Joints Dislocate" (February 22, 2001), Michelle says that she takes morphine daily. How can an addictive drug be used by a Christian?

    S. D., United States

    It would be wrong for a Christian to sue drugs simply for the thrills or fo the highs they produce. However, one who accepts a painkilling narcotic under the direction of a physician because of some medical problem could hardly be called a thrill seeker. Of course, even in circumstances like that, a Christian must weigh the possibility of addition and other harmful side effects from taking such a medication.—ED.

    hoser posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:55:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    One unbelieving husband uses the stuff in a neighboring congregation as a prescription. It is severely frowned upon even though it is a prescription and it helps him out. The kids are not allowed to go to their house to associate with his kids cause he might toke up in front of them.

    F blondie posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:08:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    Marijuana has had a negative reputation for some time among jws and non-jws. But then morphine is not considered kosher by some jws as individuals. So do you want the official WTS opinion or the individual opinion of some jws?

    wannabefree posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:26:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    It is my understanding that it is a conscience matter as long as it is not smoked ... brownies okay, bongs not. I could be wrong.

    EDIT: I asked an elder a few months ago and that is how he explained it (I threw in the brownie/bong terms).

    As far as being legal, I believe the issue here is that, it is technically illegal according to federal law, therefore, there is a reserved fear that the feds could crack down on the use if they wanted to, although unlikely, because the states don't have the authority to supersede federal law.

    F blondie posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:30:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    As long as it is illegal secularly it cannot be a conscience matter unless the law forbids preaching or meeting together..

    Here is an interesting twist by the WTS.

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    g01 7/8 p.9 Drug Abuse—There Is an Answer! ***How Safe Is Marijuana?

    A number of countries are considering legalizing marijuana, mainly for medicinal use. The drug has been found to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy, and it evidently helps AIDS sufferers to overcome loss of appetite. It has also been used as a pain reliever.

    While there is disagreement about the results of research findings, tests that were reported on in New Scientist magazine have established some of the harmful effects of marijuana.

    A Harvard University test compared a group who smoked marijuana daily with a group who used it less often. They found little difference on standard mental tests. However, on one test dealing with adaptability, the heavy marijuana users scored much lower.

    Another university tested a group of regular marijuana smokers and a group of cigarette smokers, over a period of 15 years. The marijuana smokers usually had three or four joints a day, while the cigarette smokers had 20 or more cigarettes a day. Equal numbers from both groups suffered from coughing and bronchitis. Examination of the lungs revealed similar cell damage in both groups.

    Although the marijuana smokers indulged much less often, it was found that a single joint releases three times as much tar as a cigarette. Furthermore, New Scientist reported: "Marijuana smokers inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer."

    In addition, immune cells from the lungs of the marijuana smokers were found to be 35 percent less capable of fighting bacteria than were cells from the cigarette smokers.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:31:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    While I don't know for a fact, I understood it the way Wannabefree states it. I mean, SMOKING is one of the most terrible sins- right up there after murder and adultery.

    F blondie posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:34:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    It is not just the SMOKING of marijuana that is illegal secularly but eating, etc. I can't imagine that the WTS is going to encourage breaking drug laws just because it's not smoking. You don't only smoke heroin, cocaine, or other drugs but I don't see the WTS making those a conscience matter.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:41:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    Legally prescribed medical maijuana is the subject as far as I know.

    A JW in pain over some terminal illness or chronic situation might get medically prescribed weed- soon to be legal in Illinois, already legal in many places. That's when they would get all "Well, don't let others know about it, make sure you don't smoke it, only obtain the legal stuff."

    designs posted Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:48:00 GMT(6/5/2010)

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    My Mother was on morphine and eventually a combo of morphine and codiene, a Molly Cocktail, she was a JW and had bone cancer. She hated the high but the pain was so awful it was the only thing that helped. The dosage was so high it kept her knocked out for 23 hours a day. We had to register her with the State we used so much. At these levels the pain killers mercifully bring the end on sooner, it stopped her heart one day thankfully.

    Sheep2slaughter posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:00:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    I just wanted to promote this thread and get some updated info. In Colorado and many other states medical marijuana is legal. I haven't seen any new light from the Borg about its use by witnesses tho. Wondering what you guys have heard/learned in the jw grapevine.

    M Quirky1 posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:31:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    They wouldn't know a good joint it if came up and bit'em in tha ass... Pot is one of the safest drugs there is.. I personally don't know of anyone dying of smoking pot.. I'd rather someone smoke weed and drive a car than to drink and drive.. Alchohol is a killer..

    baltar447 posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:34:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    I've heard: If a JW has a prescription for MM in a state that it's legal, they may treat it like any other drug. EXCEPT smoking it is still a Judicial matter.

    However I did hear of a "sister" running a dispensary and got DF'd. Even though it was legal in that state.

    ugh stupid cult

    talesin posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:02:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    Interesting article about the AMA's stance on medical mj.

    url: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-human-condition/2009/11/13/the-american-medical-association-reconsiders-marijuana-will-the-justice-department-follow.html

    quote:

    So it it might have come as a surprise on Tuesday when the AMA announced that, after 72 years, it was reversing its pot policy—and urged the federal government to do the same. Precipitated by a similar decision by the group’s Medical Student Section, the AMA resolved that “that marijuana’s status as a federal Schedule 1 controlled substance be reviewed,” with the goal of facilitating clinical research, and presented a new medical report, conducted by its Council on Science and Public Health, laying out the drug’s various medical benefits.

    Personal anecdotal experience. For many years, I worked with my general physican, using pharmaceuticals to 'help' my FM and other health problems. All the pharmas had side effects that were harmful and dangerous. Finally, my GP looked at me and said,,, "you need to try mj, I feel it is the only thing that may help you, without the harmful side effects." Thank you, Dr. R!!!!! It doesn't have to be smoked like a cigarette; it can be eaten, or inhaled using a vaporizer. The demonization of the "herb" is just one more nail in our coffin, imho.

    tal

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:08:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    Baltar that's correct. A prescription is ok, smoking anything is not. I have a prescription as I am an insomniac. And that stuff knocks me out without all the negative side effects of drugs like Ambien. I wake up completley refreshed, no "hangover" or grogginess. I hit the ground running.

    I know of one kid who was using it because he was tired of opiates. Major back injuries. Don't blame him. However he started distributing weed to his friends in the hall who did not have prescritions. He was df'd.

    M james_woods posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:29:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    Well, if they end up being forced to allow this as a legal prescription, doesn't it pretty much wipe out their strict policy on tobacco?

    After all - "druggery" is still "druggery" (demonism) even if you have a prescription, right?

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:32:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    what medical benifit does tobacco have?

    M james_woods posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:43:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    what medical benifit does tobacco have?

    Questionable, if any. But let me relate a little story about a judicial committee on smoking: We had an old guy in the congregation who was a private smoker. He was a long-time JW - had been one before the ban on smoking was written into law. Somehow he got found out - I think it was during the CO visit and they went to his house to see how he was doing (he had severe heart trouble). Sure enough, a committee hearing was convened. He was notified of it. The guys wife intervened - she questioned his doctor who strongly advised that we NOT force him to quit smoking. The doctor was afraid that if we did, it might cause him to have a heart attack because he was so used to nicotine in his system. The committee (under the direction of the CO) ruled that nothing would be done to him as long as he kept the smoking to himself in private.

    M wha happened? posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:47:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    well it really doesn't and the tobacco companies have been caught uping the amount of addictive chemicals in it's make up.

    Regarding the incident u described, it doesn't surprise me. In fact, the elders were actually thinking outside the box on that one. I could have easily seen an elder going on about "worldly advice from a college educated Dr" as advice from the devil and df'ing the guy anyways

    M james_woods posted Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:59:00 GMT(4/13/2012)

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    I was a brand new assistant congregation servant (only 21) when that went down, Wha Happened. I simply could not believe it, but I of course did not have enough seniority to say a word. This was just the CO, the special pioneer congregation servant, and me - serving where the need was great. It was before the elder arrangement.

    The CO felt that if something happened to the guy, we might be held liable by his wife (who was not a JW) and so he personally had this swept under the rug.

    BTW - as noted above, marijuana has some of the same health detriments as tobacco when smoked. Opium and morphine are not good for you either - so, my point was that the society seems to have singled out tobacco (essentially calling it demonism) and permits other drugs.

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