Is it possible for an Elder to get back his "priviledges" after being demoted?

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    african GB Member posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:57:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    For example, if he was demoted due to one of his children(who are still under him) being DF'd or is no longer "exemplary".

    AGBM

    M OnTheWayOut posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:00:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    Happens all the time. Time passes and people are promoted again. The quickest way is to step aside before they remove you when something bad happens, but either way- happens all the time.

    M Finally-Free posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:16:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    I wonder how many deleted elders would even want to go back to being one again. They must enjoy the added free time.

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    jabberwock posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:17:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    I have a few questions about this myself.

    Do elders who resign or are removed have to re-qualify as ministerial servants before they can become elders again? When it comes to being reappointed, are former elders who resigned given different consideration than those who were removed?

    I have known elders who have stopped serving for various reasons, but I have never heard of someone being demoted to ministerial servant. Is demotion even possible?

    JWoods posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:20:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    I personally know of someone who was DFd for immorality, Divorced, and then was later made an Elder.

    straightshooter posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:24:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    An elder who resigns has up to a certain number of months to request to return as an elder, otherwise he has to wait to be appointed as a ministerial servant. An elder who is removed has to wait to be appointed as a ministerial servant. I have seem both situtations.

    Demotion is not possible. I remember one elder who wanted less work by becoming a ministerial servant and that just did not happen.

    lepermessiah posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:52:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    Like the above folks said, its very common.

    If you are male, breathing, and get 10 hours in field service a month, you are a prime candidate regardless of your past.

    I personally know of someone who was DFd for immorality, Divorced, and then was later made an Elder.

    Thats common as well.

    I know of at least 4 cases locally where the guy was an elder, cheated on his wife, was DF'ed, never missed a meeting and was reinstated quickly, and then was re-appointed as an elder several years later.

    The WTBS has an "unofficial" year limit if I remember (7 years or something like that)

    Nice to see the holy spirit picks such charming guys!

    M RR posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:57:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    Yep, I knew of plenty of elders who lost their privileges and got them back. I knew several who were actually df'd, reinstated and got their privileges back!

    RR

    M geevee posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:06:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    There was a guy here where I live, who was an elder, had a slightly shady business deal, explained his way out of it, but because of the "noteriety" was demoted to ms..... he then jumped congs and was re-appointed as an elder in no time flat.

    JWoods posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:12:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    Yep, I knew of plenty of elders who lost their privileges and got them back. I knew several who were actually df'd, reinstated and got their privileges back!

    This is, IMHO, a sort of "stealth" change that happened without really being announced. When I was in overseer's school back in the winter of 1970, it was plainly stated as part of the instruction that no person who had previously been DFd could serve as a servant or assistant...ever.

    That was before Elders, and of course before they have seen trouble filling the positions.

    aniron posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:54:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    For example, if he was demoted due to one of his children(who are still under him) being DF'd or is no longer "exemplary".

    We had an Elder whose daughter was pregnant before marriage to her Min Servant boyfriend.

    He also had a son (Min Servant) who was caught smoking cannabis, and who later ran off and married a lap dancer.

    Another son got publicly reproved.

    Another daughter was reproved for "fornication" with her soon to be husband.

    (Seemed the trend in the congregation that once they were engaged to marry they might as well start having sex)

    This Elder only only "stepped down" years after the above events , when he was caught - Smoking!

    Then returned a year later, mainly I heard because they were losing Elders.

    I know of two Elders who committed adultery, disfellowshipped, divorced, remarried.

    Both reinstated within a year, both returned to being Elders after another year.

    But you can bet if some poor rank and file member did the same thing they would be out for years.

    freddo posted Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:16:00 GMT(12/14/2009)

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    Yes he can get his "privileges" back.

    It seems a bit tighter nowadays in the UK - as said above - if you resign (and if you subsequently would not have been removed anyway - BoE's are supposed to look at resignations of those who jump before they're pushed and ask themselves whether they would have removed the resigner had he stayed!) for over a year you will usually have to be an MS first. But you can often be an elder within 6 months to a year of that if your body like you.

    If you are removed you have to be an MS first. If you are reproved and removed then you have to wait at least 3 years to be an MS first and usually (if there was no notoriety) it will be about 5 - 7 before you could be an elder from reproof date. If you are DF'd then it's a minimum of 5 years to be an MS from reinstatement and probably approaching a total of 7 - 9 to be an elder again.

    In around about 2000(?) a procedure was brought in where "your kids could bring you down" - say you've got 4 kids living at home and one goes bad in jw terms - then unless the body really hate you you'll survive. (But they'll check if your family study was regular and if you ignored previous counsel to get junior in line then you might well be on your way.) If two kids "go bad" then you might lose your privs. If three, then it don't look good, buddy! And if all 4 go out then you're definitely gonna be toast!

    I did hear rumour of a guy in Cornwall, England who couldn't cope with "the judicial stuff" but was prepared to be an MS and his body were enlightened enough to ask the branch in the UK who then allowed it in the late 1990's early 2000's but I cannot confirm that as I got it from a prominent know it all elder who seemed to be about 80% right in what he blabbed to me.

    F Mary posted Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:20:00 GMT(12/15/2009)

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    Absolutely. I know of one elder who was deleted (actually, he was given the option of uh, 'stepping down'), due to it becoming common knowledge that he banged his best friends' wife. He was furious at the demotion and actually screamed "..If I can't be an elder, there's no point in my even being here!"

    He was hell bent and determined to get his position back so he and he power-seeking b#tch of a wife did all the right things: Quit their jobs and began pioneering; sucked the ass of the CO and all the other local bozos; never missed a meeting; repeated all the above over and over again for 5 years until they finally made him an elder again.

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