An atheist and a creationist are walking along a riverbank . . . .

Creationist: “Look at this! The course of this river has obviously been designed, it's avoiding every single tree on the riverbank!”

Atheist: “That's not true, the river isn't avoiding anything”.

Creationist: “But look at it! Can't you see? It's swerving to avoid every single plant!”

Atheist: “This river was not designed, there is overwhelming evidence that it formed by natural processes and the plants are growing on the land that is available to them”.

Creationist: “Are you trying to tell me that all those plants know where the riverbank is?

Atheist: “No, I never said that the plants know anything, seeds will germinate when the conditions are right. The soil on the riverbank is nutrient rich and has a good amount of moisture in it”.

Creationist: (smiling to himself) “So, who planted the seeds on the riverbank for them to germinate in the first place? Did they plant themselves there did they?”

Atheist: “No, the seeds are dispersed naturally by wind and animals etc”.

Creationist: “That's impossible! What are the chances of all these plants coming to the riverbank by accident? The probability is just too low”.

Atheist: “Actually the probability is so high that it happens all the time. It is to be expected”.

Creationist: “You are very foolish, why don't you give credit to the one who designed this river?”

Atheist: “No one designed the river! Why do you keep saying that when all the evidence is against you?”

Creationist: (pulls out a book) “Look, it says so right here! First he planted the trees, then he made the river, can you see how he was careful not to disturb the plants?”

Atheist: “This guy sounds hilarious, can I talk to him?”

Creationist: (smiling excitedly) “Of course you can! He loves it when people talk to him”.

Atheist: “Cool, what's his number?”

Creationist: “Don't be silly, he doesn't have a phone!”.

Atheist: “Then let's visit him, where does he live?”

Creationist: “Don't be stupid! You can't visit him, he's not in the universe”.

Atheist: “But you said I can talk to him”.

Creationist: “You can! You can talk to him in your mind and he will hear you”.

Atheist: (laughing) “You should stay away from the lsd buddy”.

Creationist: (frowning) “You know, he said there would be people like you, I really hope that someday you will come to believe in him”.

Atheist: ”Why? What's the big deal?”

Creationist: “It is a very important matter, your life depends on it. He's going to kill all the people who don't believe in him”.

Atheist: “What about my children?”

Creationist: “Bird food”.

Atheist: “This guy sounds like an evil dictator, is he related to Robert Mugabe?”.

Creationist: “The designer isn't evil! He's the most loving guy ever! If you believe in him he will give you 1 billion dollars!!!

Atheist: “Sounds like bribery to me”.

Creationist: “It's not bribery, it's his loving kindness!”

Atheist: “So is that why you can't afford to pay your rent and fix your car?”

Creationist: “No silly, he's going to give it to me after he kills you, then I can have my pet polar bear”.

Atheist: “You really need to cut back on the lsd man, it messes with your mind”.


The End

Not my own work . . .  

Well 1 billion + pet polar bear... Hmmmm that sounds good...

Can you give me an adress of the guy????

Albert

Good one, Nic.

Atheist: "So, if everything is designed and created, who created the 'Creator'?"

Creationist: "Shut Up! The Creator gets angry and starts killing people if we ask such questions!"

It's all so simple! 

Ohhhhh!  Now I get it!  

Silly me... I just never understood the LOGIC of gawd!   

Everytime i fill a cup with water, & i see that the water fits the cup perfectly, i thank the creator for designing the water so that it would fit that particular cup.

nic

This only works if your creationist is a JW.  The Christians that I know would never reason this way.

Atheist: “This river was not designed, there is overwhelming evidence that it formed by natural processes and the plants are growing on the land that is available to them”.

I'd ask the athiest, who designed the "natural processes"?

Why do natural processes need designing?

who designed the "natural processes"?

What has been designed: process or product?

Excellent illustration.  The same reasoning applies on the universal level, ie, to the universe.

DD

Natural processes formed the same way that the river formed, they are things that worked successfully.  Likely, the processes that you refer to came into existence coinsiding w the birth of the universe.  We could say that it was a successful universe.  We don't know how many aborted universes, so to speak, there were, the unsuccessful ones, because there were not the right processes or laws coming into existence along w them.

A look at the different kinds of stars and all the different processes in which they are involved also demonstrate success and failure by natura;l processes.  Many of them do not work, ie, stars explode without ever getting nice planets orbiting them.  Many gas balls never make it to stardom.  Many other examples are there to be seen.

As well, our own solar system and how it was formed show the same principles as the river illustration.   Basically it startted from a gas ball and a bunch of asteroids, rock chunks and some comets.  Out of this chaos emerged the various planets, the oort cloud, sun, etc.  Mars was close, but no prize.  Earth, of course, did better.  But again, it has been shown that natural processes did eveything to bring the earth to where it is today.

S

What has been designed: process or product?

Both!

S

We don't know how many aborted universes, so to speak, there were, the unsuccessful ones, because there were not the right processes or laws coming into existence along w them.

What are you talking about?  Have you seen evidence of other universes?

You should read up on current physics, you'll find it interesting.

You should read up on current physics, you'll find it interesting.

I have and I do!

can you step into the same river twice...

S, "Many gas balls never make it to stardom."

Really, only one gas ball needed to make it to stardom... Jehovah.

DD

'What are you talking about?  Have you seen evidence of other universes?'

You don't understand what i'm talking about.  There is talk among some scientists of a macroverse.  Anyways, as a believer in a god for whom there is no evidence, it's surprising that you would ask that.

S

a couple of gas balls that made it to stardom are elvis and micheal, both degassed now.