Lets Debate the Trinity

Come on everyone, let us reason on the Trinity Doctrine using the Bible!

You know there has to be at least 3 big long Trinity threads on here per month... so I figured I'd go ahead and start one for November.

The Bible says that there is only one true God who is God by Nature, the only God who deserves our worship and prayer. Jesus taught that His Father is God. However, on the other hand, the Scriptures repeatedly say (both explicitly and implicitly) that Jesus Christ is God by Nature (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:6; 2 Peter 1:1; Titus 2:13; John 10:30) as well as describing the Holy Spirit as having all of the same qualities and attributes as The Father and The Son.

I look forward to having a serious debate about the Trinity doctrine, based on the Holy Scriptures.

(Please, try to keep the name-calling or ad hominem personal attacks to a minimum if at all possible)

As an uninterested observer on the trinity, but an interested observer in different people's belief, I wish you the best in your discussion.

With a broader knowledge of bible tradition now, I can see how the Trinity can be believed. JW's do lie about this, which is the only reason I ever give a passing glance at subjects like this.

I don't believe in the bible, but respect your right to do so. Peace....

trinity...............again..............................yawn   

I will here assume that the Bible is an authority (which, to me, is a big stretch).

I see scriptures like John 1:1 (which the Not Well Translated version tampered with) telling us that the Word was with God, and the Word is God.  That tells me that God and the Word have to be the same Being.  Another scripture tells us that Jesus, in his own words, and God, are one.  You are going to find so many other scriptures like these (in fact, so many that the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger had to put out a brochure to refute them all)--telling us that, in fact, the Trinity is a teaching that is in the Bible.

However, if you do not take the Bible literally, one could conclude that Jesus was his own God, and merely teaching others to be their own Gods as well.  If that's the case, of course Jesus and God would have been one and the same.  And that would have been true of anyone that got to the point of fully independent thinking--once your thinking is fully integrated, you become your own God.

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Mouthy:  Hello and thank you for the post explaining the Holy Trinity.  I am new to this site and am also a born again Christian who believes according to scripture that God is three persons working simultaneously with one another.  How awesome.   But, it seems to me that those who don't believe in the trinity would surmise in their own minds that there couldn't possibly have been non other than God who could atone for the sins of mankind.

Thank you and God Bless. I will certainly refer to your eloquent and biblically factual explanation when speaking to others about the trinity.

Following out of interest

The Bishops  who concocted this theory struggled mightily to make the young Jew, Jesus, the equal if not the better to the gods of the Greek and Roman world. 

As Professor Owen of Cambridge said 'if you get rid of all of the Greek philosophical vocabulary in Christian theology you cannot express God's threeness-in-oneness in anything approximating a coherent way. You simply can't do it. And historically its the case that whenever people have tried to purge Christianity of what we would call metaphysical language , philosophical language, it always ends up in Unitarianism.'

The great tragedy is that they turned this good Jew into a monster god capable of doing the unthinkable.

Welcome delivered!

Blessings,

Stephen

I too am following out of interest.

Life is an interesting little puzzle isn't it?

Is there a superior life-form that could be referred to as a God?  Is this superior life-form a singular personality, or is it a triune god-head?

Or is this superior life-form something completely different?  Does he or she exist at all?   Carry on team!  I will stand by and keep reading.

The Oracle

Not the trinity ...... AGAIN.

As soon as I'm finished typing this, I'm going to bang my head against the wall.

Delivered >>>>Welcome to the board Good to have you join us .

I was not the writer of that article on the Trinity,It is a young
fellow who named himself at the end of the article.

I found it interesting, & because I am lazy!!!! I just copied & pasted it

Have at it folks. For me its like trying to decide if the tooth fairy is a schitzophrenic. More power to ya. W.Once

I think god is a Quaternity, not just a trinity.

He consists of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and Mankind.

I am sure that given time I can find enough proof from scripture for this, in the form of Quaternitan formulae, prophetic "types" and lots of times where four things are mentioned etc. etc.

I think Trinitarians are one god short of a Godhead.

Love

Wobble

Is understanding of the Trinity doctrine essential for salvation? Jesus told the thief, impaled along side him, that he would be with him in paradise. Do you really think the thief understood whether or not Jesus was part of a Trinity?

People line up on different sides of this debate based upon assumptions.

If you believe the Bible to be a unified, cohesive, and noncontradictory then you will take the position that the trinity is either 'right' or 'wrong'. If wrong, another system will be put forward as the correct one.

Yet, if you throw out that assumption you are left with something more complicated (and realistic). A series of books that may not necessarily agree with each other. The idea of a single cohesive theory melts away, and you are left to realize that the Bible speaks less about modern theologial debates than we think it does.

No, he may have been of Jewish ancestry, but not a very observant or practicing Jew.

The observation of history is that some of the Christian communities sought to coherer and form politicial and social power bases in order to survive. Those groups quickly turned to intolerance, violence and murder. Murder by the 100's of millions over the centuries.

Some one quoted Voltaire recently, and I paraphrase 'absurd beliefs produce absurd actions'. The early Bishops conceived of a god who would harm people in the afterlife, what a gateway drug to humans seeking harm to others. They christened themselves the arm of god on earth and killed innocents by the millions.

By any metric of ethics they make the sins of the Society, and those sins are valid, a speck in comparison to these so called Christians of the Trinitarian persuasion who are like jihadists.

They took the good name of a young Jew and tried to ruin it. Thank God for the brave men and women who stood up against it over the centuries.

wobble: I think god is a Quaternity, not just a trinity.

Why stop at four? Why not include the animals, the planets, the sun, moon, and stars? Maybe "God" is a gazillion-ity.

Do you know what you have when you believe the divine exists everywhere?

Buddhism.

Parakeet   that really is the Oooopsie about this theory, as they developed this idea of hypostatic union along with omnipresence any observer quickly realizes...everything is god!

You may now sip your morning coffee in peace.....

Come on everyone, let us reason on the Trinity Doctrine using the Bible!

Undisfellowshipped,

I did this some time ago and put some thoughts together here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/beytrin.htm

Joseph