QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY!!!

Perfect is perfect.  Exercising free will while being perfect?  There is only one way to do things; perfectly.  So there is no free will.  Easy!  The bible is a bunch of bullshit.  It's a man-made dream, something that is as impossible as the flood of noah. 

Trying to make human beings fit into the fairy-tale bible will give you a headache; but the circular reasoning will help ease the pain! 

  WHATHEHADAS-  Try to understand the WT societies version of what is" perfect " and " imperfect " is only a conditional definition based on who is giving out the meaning.  We have the governing body telling rank and file witnesses to OBEY elders even though they are IMPERFECT because Jehovah ( allegedly ) is willing to use them to lead the JW members. Members are told to follow the elders even if they disagree on errant views  because they are ( allegedly ) appointed by holy spirit.

  But-  If a rank and file ordinary witness ( non-elder ) takes an " imperfect " view of something and has an errant view - it is viewed as a sin and possibly deserves a judicial committee meeting being judged by yes, " impefect " elders who may have the same views the rank and file witness did !!  So the definition of what people consider " perfect " is a very debateable and varied thing. Just like everybody has a rear end - everybody has a definition of what they consider " perfect " - including the WT society - and their view of what's " perfect " or " imperfect " is tainted and not pretty. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

Whathehadas: "If this was the First time God create Flesh and Spirit, How would he know it was good. If he had to TEST the creation to see the results. With the Free Will, You can always turn to bad."

Interesting observation. I think we are still in the testing phase. This is why some of us will be "harvested" and some of us will be destroyed. Those who are retained as "harvest" will be those who are willing to be servants and slaves and obey whatever is commanded.

Those who are destroyed will be so because they see and speak truth and have a mind of their own.

I think these alien/demon angels played around with our genetics. We were designed to be a slave class. Somewhere along the line, perhaps we got too much of their DNA and our smarts and courage kicked in. Can't have that!

Those who threaten to disrupt the experiment and the harvest of a slave class must be silenced.

Perfect things and beings don't exist. Prove me wrong.

whathehadas,

That is a perfect question. However, there is no perfect answer.

B the X

 If this was the First time God create Flesh and Spirit, How would he know it was good. If he had to TEST the creation to see the results. With the Free Will, You can always turn to bad.

You are trying to read the Bible as though it contains truth from God, but we don't have any more proof of that than any of the non-christian groups have for their writings or oral myths and legends.

I always had trouble with the differences in the creation accounts.  Eventually, I realised that they were not inspired of, or written by, God, but were merely versions of some ancient fireside story that constituted the science of the day.

Cheers

Chris

Even God didn't create 'perfection' because Adam was lonely.  That can't be part of perfection, can it?

who gets to define perfect?

Who gets to define sin? Whoever sells that gets the control. Ask Christian religions....

Hello and welcome, WhatThe! 

Yours is a wonderful question.  The answer is... Adam and Eve is a tale, and nothing more.  (I like Billy's answer.)

Heaven!  Great point, that Adam was lonely.  Perfection is not lonely.  Then again, why did the almighty creator feel the need to create in the first place?  If he is omnipotent, why is he:

• Jealous
• Bloodthirsty
• Insecure and demanding sacrifice and worship

Things that make you say "myth".

While blunt, I think shamus nailed it.

I guess it all depends in what is 'perfect'....

Perfect bodies? 

Perfect Understanding/Knowldege?

Perfect Morality?

Free will I suppose allows a "being" a choice to follow the latter two. You can chose to believe a different understandings/knowledge and chose to have a different set of guidelines regarding what is or isn't moral.

......but of course the above is just imperfect musings of a very imperfect gal......

The scripture says God saw that it (his creation) was good, not perfect. 

Maybe I missed the scripture that says man was created perfect?

IMO perfection that was lost is a perfect spiritual way of following God's requirements not that Adam and Eve were perfect in a sense that WTS presents.  If all humans would be perfect in all things all would be like robots.  I don't believe Jesus needed to be perfect as a carpenter nor was a best looking man at the time but was perfect in following the spiritual standard required.  This is JMHO

This is the essence of religous power.  Whether the WTS or Catholics, they can never be satisfied by their imperfect followers. That's why they are called sheep. "Keep trying your best to please 'God' (us). You'll still be a piece of shit but maybe you can be forgiven...now, get back to work and quit touching yourself!"

Isn't perfection, if any definition is possible, determined by how well a thing fulfills the purpose for which it was created or developed? Perhaps perfect means 'without defect'. Determining whether a characteristic is a defect or whether it is a natural feature which has developed presupposes that we know the original purpose. I cannot see how perfection has to mean uniformity in thought or action, or why perfection means 'not making mistakes' (eg could a person be perfect but need experience? if so then perhaps they could make mistakes whilst still being perfect as they gained more experience), I cannot see why perfection means omniscience either.

Now I expect one or two will proffer the Bible as the definition of the purpose for which we are created and they are entitled so to believe. Just because one believes the Bible to offer the definition however doesn't make it so.

My own view is that there is no point in thinking too much about what perfection means for a human as none of us are likely to experience it in our lifetimes, or see it in another person, even if we could agree on a definition.

You may find some of the information in  this thread interesting and helpful

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/168546/1/Matthew-5-48

purps