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10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
Witness 007
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10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:00 GMT
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Post 3691 of 4694 Since 8/28/2007 |
Japan had a handful of Witnesses after WW 2....this number skyrocketed to 222,912 by 1998! Then something happened. Publisher figures didn't stop, they dropped by thousands over the next decade! 1998 - Publishers Peak 222,912 Congs. 3,802 EIGHT YEARS LATER---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2006 - Publisher decline 217,519 {Loss -5,357} Congs. 3,164 {loss of -638} Basically no growth in 10 years with huge losses about an entire "District." Any ideas why? What made the Japanese who had 20-30% Increase each year for decades, drop off for the last 10 years?
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Tuesday
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:28:00 GMT
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![]() Rhode IslandPost 1335 of 1769 Since 4/4/2003 |
It's been argued that basically Japan is still very honor based and when you give your word you make good on it. The generation change was essentially saying "you know how we said we had truth all those years, well we didn't and we lied to you." This was a great dishonor and the Japanese didn't want to be associated with an organization who was dishonorable. That could be the reason, or it might be something else. Anyone else have a theory? |
Alligator Wisdom
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:46:00 GMT
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![]() Post 518 of 529 Since 10/30/2002 |
2008 Yearbook = 3,177 congregations. 2009 Yearbook = 3,177 congregations. No additions, no subtractions. Makes me wonder... Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously) |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:49:00 GMT
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I suspect (although I could be wrong) that if you removed the foreign language numbers from the US you would find something similar although not quite as drastic in the US |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:51:00 GMT
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Post 72 of 271 Since 3/24/2009 |
The loss is much more, since we don't know the actual numbers of publishers because the WT counts unbaptized and baptized JW's. Just count the bible studies over this 10 years, the numbers that got baptized, add them in the total number and you will see that the have lost much more.... |
BurnTheShips
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:52:00 GMT
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![]() Post 10650 of 13453 Since 8/28/2006 |
10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? Bad sushi at the Assembly? BTS |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:56:00 GMT
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![]() Post 7680 of 8987 Since 5/10/2007 |
I wonder how much the Internet has to do with it. In Japan, people are up to their eyeballs in technology, and thus are more likely to have that evil Internet to start apostate forums and discussions (and to land on them). In turn, many studies land on apostate web sites and discontinue the study, and many witlesses that thought it was the truth also land on apostate web sites and realize that it is not the truth. |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:08:00 GMT
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Post 1444 of 1726 Since 1/31/2001 |
That the number of congregations is falling, is not important. It happens all over the world and is not a proof that the number of JWs is falling, it is rationalising, making the organization more effective etc. Smaller congregations are joined up to form bigger ones, and so they do not have to live with 2-3-4 elders, but can have 10-12. That the number of JWs is falling, is something else. I think some 10 years ago, the branch overseer was df'ed, and that might have stirred things up. There has been a pressure for years on pioneering, and when thousands pioneer for years and nothing happens in terms of the arrival of the end - then fatigue and distrust might lead to a falling away. |
passwordprotected
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:19:00 GMT
(5/19/2009)
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![]() ScotlandPost 1308 of 2138 Since 5/28/2008 |
Perhaps Possible San can help with this one. |
OnTheWayOut
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:26:00 GMT
(5/19/2009)
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![]() IllinoisPost 8208 of 9618 Since 9/8/2006 |
Don't forget to factor in that the Japanese encourage EDUCATION to their young ones. |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:03:00 GMT
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![]() Post 1797 of 1943 Since 6/25/2006 |
We don't see the Society bragging about Japan anymore and how hard they're working and how "Jehovah" is blessing their hard work. |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:28:00 GMT
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![]() TennesseePost 424 of 521 Since 4/22/2005 |
Remember who died in 1999, ten years ago when the decrease in the flock started? GB member, Lloyd Barry. Until Lloyd came to Brooklyn Bethel in 1974, he was Japan's Branch Overseer for many years. The Japanese loved their connection to him and he was the major reason thousands of them came to Brooklyn on tour, or so I was told. In fact, one of the senior writers commented that the reason for the high percentage of pioneers in Japan was Lloyd Barry. They were so proud to have him as one of the GB and wanted to please him. (Remember the Japanese have a high propensity for worshipping leaders.) Lloyd often went to Japan even after he became a GB member to see the faithful. After his death, without this GB link to God, it is no surprise that the Japanese began to fall away from the faith. |
Witness 007
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:31:00 GMT
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Post 3700 of 4694 Since 8/28/2007 |
Andersoninfo thanks interesting forgot about Lloyd's death! Almost like Emperor worship continued in Japan after WW 2! |
insearchoftruth
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:31:00 GMT
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VirginiaPost 992 of 1561 Since 2/9/2006 |
Are there any areas of the planet that they do brag about their growth...in the US it seems to be only the non-English speaking congos...... My wife said that in the congo she is attending here, there are no teenagers at all........ |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:26:00 GMT
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Post 108 of 113 Since 5/26/2008 |
Japan is propably emptied of "fish". It does not get better the more hours they spend in preaching. |
possible-san
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:29:00 GMT
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![]() Post 461 of 632 Since 6/18/2008 |
Hi, AndersonsInfo. I am a Japanese ex- Jehovah's Witness. In fact, one of the senior writers commented that the reason for the high percentage of pioneers in Japan was Lloyd Barry. I think that it is not the fact although I think that you have freedom of speech. Since it is the 1980s that the number of JWs increased in Japan, many Japanese JWs do not necessarily feel familiarity for him specially. |
Witness 007
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:37:00 GMT
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Post 3704 of 4694 Since 8/28/2007 |
"Possible San" WHY do you think people in your country are leaving the Witnesses? |
SirNose586
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:50:00 GMT
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![]() CaliforniaPost 3290 of 3388 Since 7/6/2006 |
"Don't forget to factor in that the Japanese encourage EDUCATION to their young ones. --OTWO I think Jerry brings up a good point. In a culture that has so much pressure to succeed and make money, it's becoming increasingly difficult to sell that anti-college message. Also we must remember that Japan is a very secular nation; even Christian missionaries are having a tough time there. It's not easy to say "We're better than this type of Christianity" when there isn't a suitable comparison. |
leavingwt
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:54:00 GMT
(5/19/2009)
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![]() MississippiPost 2435 of 4849 Since 6/16/2008 |
Internet on cell phones. |
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Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
posted Tue, 19 May 2009 20:22:00 GMT
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![]() Post 539 of 774 Since 4/22/2008 |
This has been asked before and it was felt a main reason is the significant downturn in the Japanese economy. When Japan was the world's economic powerhouse and times were booming, they had huge numbers of pioneers. With economic growth dropping off and unemployment soaring, the publisher and pioneer growth went into reverse. So basically the publisher numbers has more or less matched their economic cycles. |



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