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10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?

    Witness 007 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:21:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit

    Australia

    Post 3691 of 4694
    Since 8/28/2007

    Japan had a handful of Witnesses after WW 2....this number skyrocketed to 222,912 by 1998!  Then something happened.  Publisher figures didn't stop, they dropped by thousands over the next decade!

    1998 - Publishers Peak       222,912                               Congs.  3,802

    EIGHT YEARS LATER----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    2006 - Publisher decline     217,519  {Loss -5,357}       Congs. 3,164  {loss of -638}

    Basically no growth in 10 years with huge losses about an entire "District."  Any ideas why?  What made the Japanese who had 20-30% Increase each year for decades, drop off for the last 10 years?

     

    Tuesday Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:28:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States Rhode Island

    Post 1335 of 1769
    Since 4/4/2003

    It's been argued that basically Japan is still very honor based and when you give your word you make good on it.  The generation change was essentially saying "you know how we said we had truth all those years, well we didn't and we lied to you."  This was a great dishonor and the Japanese didn't want to be associated with an organization who was dishonorable.

    That could be the reason, or it might be something else.  Anyone else have a theory?

    Alligator Wisdom Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:46:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit




    Post 518 of 529
    Since 10/30/2002
    2008 Yearbook = 3,177 congregations.
    2009 Yearbook = 3,177 congregations.
    No additions, no subtractions. Makes me wonder...
    Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
    leftbelow Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:49:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit




    Post 187 of 331
    Since 12/16/2005

    I suspect (although I could be wrong) that if you removed the foreign language numbers from the US you would find something similar although not quite as drastic in the US

    JustHuman14 Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:51:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit



    Post 72 of 271
    Since 3/24/2009

    The loss is much more, since we don't know the actual numbers of publishers because the WT counts unbaptized and baptized JW's. Just count the bible studies over this 10 years, the numbers that got baptized, add them in the total number and you will see that the have lost much more....

    BurnTheShips Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:52:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States

    Post 10650 of 13453
    Since 8/28/2006

    10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?

    Bad sushi at the Assembly?

    BTS

    WTWizard Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 14:56:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit




    Post 7680 of 8987
    Since 5/10/2007

    I wonder how much the Internet has to do with it.  In Japan, people are up to their eyeballs in technology, and thus are more likely to have that evil Internet to start apostate forums and discussions (and to land on them).  In turn, many studies land on apostate web sites and discontinue the study, and many witlesses that thought it was the truth also land on apostate web sites and realize that it is not the truth.

    TheOldHippie Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:08:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit



    Post 1444 of 1726
    Since 1/31/2001

    That the number of congregations is falling, is not important. It happens all over the world and is not a proof that the number of JWs is falling, it is rationalising, making the organization more effective etc. Smaller congregations are joined up to form bigger ones, and so they do not have to live with 2-3-4 elders, but can have 10-12.

    That the number of JWs is falling, is something else. I think some 10 years ago, the branch overseer was df'ed, and that might have stirred things up. There has been a pressure for years on pioneering, and when thousands pioneer for years and nothing happens in terms of the arrival of the end - then fatigue and distrust might lead to a falling away.

    passwordprotected Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:19:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United Kingdom Scotland

    Post 1308 of 2138
    Since 5/28/2008

    Perhaps Possible San can help with this one.

    OnTheWayOut Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 15:26:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States Illinois

    Post 8208 of 9618
    Since 9/8/2006

    Don't forget to factor in that the Japanese encourage EDUCATION to their young ones. 
    Every good JW knows that education helps a young JW to abandon "the truth."

    sspo Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:03:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    Iran

    Post 1797 of 1943
    Since 6/25/2006

    We don't see the Society bragging about Japan anymore and how hard they're

    working and how "Jehovah" is blessing their hard work.

    AndersonsInfo Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:28:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States Tennessee

    Post 424 of 521
    Since 4/22/2005

    Remember who died in 1999, ten years ago when the decrease in the flock started? GB member, Lloyd Barry.

    Until Lloyd came to Brooklyn Bethel in 1974, he was Japan's Branch Overseer for many years. The Japanese loved their connection to him and he was the major reason thousands of them came to Brooklyn on tour, or so I was told. In fact, one of the senior writers commented that the reason for the high percentage of pioneers in Japan was Lloyd Barry. They were so proud to have him as one of the GB and wanted to please him. (Remember the Japanese have a high propensity for worshipping leaders.) Lloyd often went to Japan even after he became a GB member to see the faithful. After his death, without this GB link to God, it is no surprise that the Japanese began to fall away from the faith.

    Witness 007 Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:31:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit

    Australia

    Post 3700 of 4694
    Since 8/28/2007

    Andersoninfo thanks interesting forgot about Lloyd's death!  Almost like Emperor worship continued in Japan after WW 2!

    insearchoftruth Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 16:31:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit

    United States Virginia

    Post 992 of 1561
    Since 2/9/2006

    Are there any areas of the planet that they do brag about their growth...in the US it seems to be only the non-English speaking congos......

    My wife said that in the congo she is attending here, there are no teenagers at all........

    Kosonen Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:26:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit



    Post 108 of 113
    Since 5/26/2008

    Japan is propably emptied of "fish". It does not get better the more hours they spend in preaching.

    possible-san Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:29:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    Japan

    Post 461 of 632
    Since 6/18/2008

    Hi, AndersonsInfo.

    I am a Japanese ex- Jehovah's Witness.

    In fact, one of the senior writers commented that the reason for the high percentage of pioneers in Japan was Lloyd Barry.

    I think that it is not the fact although I think that you have freedom of speech.

    When I became a Jehovah's Witness in 1983, Mr. Lloyd Barry was not the overseer of the Japan branch.
    (He was the overseer till January, 1975.)

    Since it is the 1980s that the number of JWs increased in Japan, many Japanese JWs do not necessarily feel familiarity for him specially.

    Rather, many Japanese Jehovah's Witnesses respected Mr. Masataro Oda who became the next overseer from 1983.
    That is because he was modest.
    He died in the accident in 2004.


    possible
    http://godpresencewithin.blog86.fc2.com/

    Witness 007 Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:37:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit

    Australia

    Post 3704 of 4694
    Since 8/28/2007

    "Possible San"  WHY do you think people in your country are leaving the Witnesses?

    SirNose586 Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:50:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States California

    Post 3290 of 3388
    Since 7/6/2006

    "Don't forget to factor in that the Japanese encourage EDUCATION to their young ones. 
    Every good JW knows that education helps a young JW to abandon "the truth." "

    --OTWO

    I think Jerry brings up a good point. In a culture that has so much pressure to succeed and make money, it's becoming increasingly difficult to sell that anti-college message. Also we must remember that Japan is a very secular nation; even Christian missionaries are having a tough time there. It's not easy to say "We're better than this type of Christianity" when there isn't a suitable comparison.

    leavingwt Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 17:54:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit


    United States Mississippi

    Post 2435 of 4849
    Since 6/16/2008

    Internet on cell phones.

    yadda yadda 2 Re: 10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why? posted Tue, 19 May 2009 20:22:00 GMT (5/19/2009) edit




    Post 539 of 774
    Since 4/22/2008

    This has been asked before and it was felt a main reason is the significant downturn in the Japanese economy. When Japan was the world's economic powerhouse and times were booming, they had huge numbers of pioneers. With economic growth dropping off and unemployment soaring, the publisher and pioneer growth went into reverse. So basically the publisher numbers has more or less matched their economic cycles.

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