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PROCLAIMERS OF GODS KINGDOM!

    M Number1Anarchist posted Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:48:00 GMT(11/10/2008)

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    Ok, What article in the Proclaimers book makes you Vomit the most?

    I will name a few!

    Pg. 68 part of paragraph 2.

    As a result, after the summer of 1917, a number of congregations of bible students were split into two groups, those loyal to the society and those who were easy prey to the smooth talk of the opposers!

    Pg. 75 paragraph 4

    Brother rutherford, he had Developed a weakened lung condition, and as a result, after his release he contracted a severe case of pneumonia. So, shortly afterward his ill health made it necessary for him to go to California, where he had some Relatives!

    These relatives couldn't happen to be his wife and son?

    They would normaly be called, your family?

    Unless i'm wrong, what other relatives did he have in California?

    All kinds of hideing and half truths!

    Let me know what makes you Vomit!

    M civicsi00 posted Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:00 GMT(11/11/2008)

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    This one:

    "C. T. Russell was a man of positive convictions. Convinced that Christ's invisible presence had begun, he was determined to proclaim it to others." Pg. 47, first paragraph at the top of the page.

    Why does this piss me off? Russell was a false prophet, and instead the Society whitewashes all his false prophecies, as IF to say that ALL the "positive convictions" of false prophecies could bring any sort of GLORY to God Himself! It DOESN'T matter if anyone has all the "positive convictions" in the world... If you proclaim falsehoods in the name of God, then you merit the punishment that goes with false prophesying.

    In ancient Israel, if someone was false prophesying, the people wouldn't just go "Oh, but he is such a nice man. Let's not stone him. Plus he seemed sincere about his convictions." LOL...

    M oompa posted Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:14:00 GMT(11/11/2008)

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    i will have to find the quote and page...but is a footnote of course...that says russell used bad data and still came up with 1914 while trying to confirm the other guys idea (warren miller) who gave him the nutty idea in the first place............oompa

    M Number1Anarchist posted Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:13:00 GMT(11/11/2008)

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    Exactly! False prophet who spoke lies and deceived people into believing 1914 was the End and all that measuring of the great pyramid! I tried to show my wife that book by C.T. Russel the Great pyramid passages VII. She ran from that like it was apostate material , she would'nt even look at it. lol. If you have not read it which i have'nt but it's fun to read out of it's like the looniest Horse Shit you could possible read. I'm sure back in those day all those numbers impressed people but today it looks like Quakery! Total nonsense!

    Ya Oompa, I think i read that he was supported by some Archeologist in his first book with the numbers he wrote and when he had to correct himself in the second book the guy was dead and he used his name again to support totaly different number.lol Nothing like using a dead guys name to support numbers he never supported.

    M insearchoftruth posted Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:23:00 GMT(11/11/2008)

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    Is the pyramid book the Finished Mystery??

    M Number1Anarchist posted Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:43:00 GMT(11/11/2008)

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    I pm'd you insearchoftruth!

    http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/

    Great pyramid passages VII

    Farkel posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:49:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    :Is the pyramid book the Finished Mystery??

    Russell talked most about the great pyramid in volume III of Studies in the Scriptures. I believe that volume was called Thy Kingdom Come. In that volume he called the Pyramid "god's stone witness and prophet.

    The Finished Mystery was completed after Russell's death by Joe ("Grudge") Rutherfraud.

    Farkel

    F Sarah Smiles posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:26:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    I enjoyed reading the first couple of chapter where they claimed their history originated! That was hard to track down and what the people believed and who they were during Luthern's time. Although the millenium movement was great fun, it was the people Luther sent a letter to the king. Just another lie. LOL too funny!

    Anything dealing with Woodrow Wilson and how Rutherford got thrown in prison.

    One time I calculated the ending of Russell freindship and they were all the same time frames. LOL

    I liked when they admit to changing the times of when Jesus was to return.

    How stupid they are to write half truths as if people could not look it up in newpapers and WTBTold books!

    I liked reading the small foot notes and checking out the books they quoted! Some of it was border line demonic!

    Oh you said quotes!

    How about when they quoted Jesus famous words Luke 19:40
    "And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stoneswould immediately cryout."
    Tand re write them as "The stones would cry out if it were not for Russell" I guess he antitypical fullfillment of Jesus words.

    M Number1Anarchist posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:24:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    Sarah that's some great information!

    That last one is seriously sickening to say that the stones would cry out if it wasn't for Russel. There basicaly calling Russel God. that is demonic.

    Thx for the great comment.

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:12:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    After the pyramid references and about the stones crying out, I was reminded of this from Thy Kingdom Come "The Great Pyramid" p. 376:

    And when the Pharisees were urging him to rebuke them, he answered, "I tell you that if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out." (Luke 19:37-40) And so it is to-day:.... lo, the very stones of this Great Pyramid of Testimony are crying out in no uncertain tones. Every inch of this massive structure is eloquently proclaiming the wisdom and power and grace of our God.

    Russell's Studies in the Scriptures are nonsense. The dubs should have removed any reference to CT Russell in Proclaimers.

    B the X

    M insearchoftruth posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:21:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    There is a review of this book on freeminds.

    http://www.freeminds.org/history/proclaimers.htm

    M Witness 007 posted Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:31:00 GMT(11/12/2008)

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    Rutherford moved to Bethsarim due to bad lungs.......but his liver was a tough mother and had to be punished! "I made an ass of myself over 1925"

    M Number1Anarchist posted Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:06:00 GMT(11/13/2008)

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    B the X I love all that old material from C.T. Russel it reinforces our decision to leave this wacky religion. It's the same as any person claiming they are God or they are Jesus. If you talked to someone and they said they were God you would think they were nuts! We finally figured it out but it took awhile C.T. was truly nuts.

    Thx Insearchoftruth, will check that page out!

    Witness 007 he punished his liver with beer and alcohol. the guy was a drunk and an idiot and that's why i quoted the proclaimers calling the people who was against him as opposers. He was a true scumbag.

    I read also in the great passage pyramids VII where C.T. Russel was calling the Millerites Saints whle calling the papacy evil. That truly shows his influence of these millerites and there predicting the end times. He was totally into this end time BS!

    I hope the Watchtwoer burns to the ground!

    Thx

    F Sarah Smiles posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:06:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    Hey I wonder if the 1919 Jehovah's people taken into captivity is in that book? You know they claimed that they are in the book of Daniel's modern day fullfillment.

    All the newbies who study "Draw Closer To Jehovah" that date is in there! You think someone would ask How,where, and what!

    How were they taken into captivity,where were they taken into capitvity, what does it mean to go into capitivity!

    The reason why Jehovah's Witness preaching work stopped in Canada compared to why the Israelites were taken into capitivity! It's a big leap!

    Big eye opener! Most JWD cant look it up so what do they really know! That's all they state in the Draw Closer to Jehovah. I think I will google this date just for fun!

    M insearchoftruth posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:06:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    Do you mean Keep Jehovah's Day in Mind???

    M Number1Anarchist posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:32:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    Thx Sarah! Not sure but go to Watchtower documents the link is above and look at the actual book in pdf format. It's hard to read because it makes no sense and is full of BS!

    Eventualy i will get around to it but right now i have to much on my plate.!

    Thx

    F Snoozy posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:22:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    The "Title" alone brings back ugly memories...

    Snoozy..

    F Mary posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:23:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    As a result, after the summer of 1917, a number of congregations of bible students were split into two groups, those loyal to the society and those who were easy prey to the smooth talk of the opposers!

    'Loyal to the society'? Shouldn't they have been "loyal to God'?? Who were these "opposers"?? Oh ya, those were the ones that opposed Booze Rutherfraud's illegal takeover of the Organization and canning anyone who didn't agree with him. Isn't that basically how Hitler got in power?

    Brother rutherford, he had Developed a weakened lung condition, and as a result, after his release he contracted a severe case of pneumonia. So, shortly afterward his ill health made it necessary for him to go to California, where he had some Relatives!

    ......named Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, athough they were never actually resurrected. But let us not dwell on trivial matters like that! Let's just praise the Lord...even for the mistake.

    tsg

    M Number1Anarchist posted Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:31:00 GMT(11/14/2008)

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    Thx Mary!

    Ya, it's like a barf fest because we made strange mistakes but we've got new light to replace that old light so all is well!

    They're like an Evil Shape Shifter.

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