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Pope Bans Yahweh; Will Others Follow Suit?

    cameo-d posted Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:41:00 GMT(10/13/2008)

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    from Catholic News Service:

    WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In the not-too-distant future, songs such as "You Are Near," "I Will Bless Yahweh" and "Rise, O Yahweh" will no longer be part of the Catholic worship experience in the United States.

    At the very least, the songs will be edited to remove the word "Yahweh" -- a name of God that the Vatican has ruled must not "be used or pronounced" in songs and prayers during Catholic Masses.

    This goes back to the Hebrew word called the Tetragrammaton. It's four letters -- consonants actually -- that are said to be God's name. And not to be said aloud. Except there aren't any vowels. So there's no way to know if it's supposed to sound like Yahweh, Yeewah, Yowee, etc.etc. etc. The word "Jehovah" is derived from the same four consonants. Jews drop the Hebrew word "'Adonai." in the spot where the four letters appear. It's usually translated as "Lord."

    Since Jehovah is also a "mistranslation" do you think other denominations will also begin to drop this name?

    What else will they use to reference the I AM if not those names?

    minimus posted Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:48:00 GMT(10/13/2008)

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    All bad. The RCC is just continuing what it's been doing for centuries.

    Satanus posted Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:54:00 GMT(10/13/2008)

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    Don't they have a patent on the name? I mean, didn't they invent it?

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    minimus posted Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:55:00 GMT(10/13/2008)

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    Yes. U R rite!

    cameo-d posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:02:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    Don't they have a patent on the name? I mean, didn't they invent it?

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    Satanus, for some reason that rings a bell. I thought there might be some connection to St Leo and when I typed in a search...you would not believe all the stuff that has come up on JWs on the catholic forum. The lions are tearing them to bits. Take a look: http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/index.html

    (scroll all the way down. There is a long section on Catholic Critique of JWs)

    It surprises me that they are being so vocal and so vehemently engaging in religion-bashing!

    F blondie posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:47:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    Does that mean the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible is going to be edited and/or banned?

    http://www.catholic.org/bible/

    Psalm 83:18 Let them know that you alone bear the name of Yahweh, Most High over all the earth.

    Satanus posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:14:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    Aid book, published by the wt society in 1971, pgs 884-885 ---

    'By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho •n ay' and
    'Elo • him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton
    the pronunciations Yeho •wah' and Yeho
    wih' were formed . The first of these provided the basis
    for the Latinized form "Jehova (h) ." The first recorded
    use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C .E . Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of
    the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo
    Fidei of the year 1270 .'

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    cabasilas posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:15:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    We've been over this before...here's what I posted earlier on this:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/164865/3054729/post.ashx#3054729

    The directive only applies to liturgical texts. Catholic scholars will still use "Yahweh" in textbooks, for example.

    Satanus posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:15:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    I suspect that the wt is NOT lying about this particular point.

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    cameo-d posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:58:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    Obscure Preservation of the Sacred Name 'YAHU'

    Hebrew personal names have meanings, and many such personal names have throughout time, been linked to the Sacred Name YAHU. In this obscure way, the Sacred Name YAHU has been preserved for modern times, notwithstanding the fact that it has been almost totally removed from most Bible Translations.

    The following transliterated versions of the Sacred Names which are in use by various Sacred name groups, are therefore acknowledged:

    YHVH YHWH Yahweh Yahveh Yaveh Yaweh Jehova Jehovah Jahova Jahovah Yahova Yahovah Yahowah Jahowa Jahowah Yahavah Jahavah Yahowe Yahoweh Jahaveh Jahaweh Yahaveh Yahaweh Jahuweh Yahuweh Jahuwah Yahuwah Yahuah Yah Jah Yahu Yahoo Yaohu Jahu Yahvah Jahvah Jahve Jahveh Yahve Yahwe Yauhu Yawhu Iahu Iahou Iahoo Iahueh

    Do you think the pope will ban emails from yahoo, too? It's on the list.

    cabasilas posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:04:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    Take a look: http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/index.html

    (scroll all the way down. There is a long section on Catholic Critique of JWs)

    It surprises me that they are being so vocal and so vehemently engaging in religion-bashing!

    That particular site is a personal site by someone who is a former JW now Catholic.

    As for the "ban" on Yahweh....it only relates to the liturgy or worship service. A priest or deacon might well use "Yahweh" in the sermon during Mass if he was speaking in the historical context of the Old Testament. The fixed prayers and the songs of the Mass will follow the New Testament practice (and Jesus' practice as well) of using "Lord" or "Father" or "God" in prayers.

    cameo-d posted Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:20:00 GMT(10/14/2008)

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    As for the "ban" on Yahweh....it only relates to the liturgy or worship service.

    I get your point, but I don't think you see the big picture. Just like when WT makes changes, it's done in small increments. And so, they will stop singing a few songs that has yahee in it. And they will stop making reference to yahoo from the pulpit. Then, little by little, "god" begins to become de-personalized. The question to ask is...Why? Because this means that the focus will gradually be on "something else".

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