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BOE letter: "presiding overseer" becomes "coordinator of the body of elders

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:16:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Here's the text of the letter:

    Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

    TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS

    Re: Coordinator of the body of elders

    Dear Brothers:

    Jehovah is the Supreme Overseer, and he has appointed Jesus Christ as head over the congregation. (Eph. 1:22; 1 Pet. 2:25) Congregation elders serve as shepherds, cooperating together with Jesus Christ and the faithful and discreet slave class for the advancement of Kingdom interests and for the good of the entire congregation.--Matt. 24:45; Eph. 4:15, 16.

    One of the many positions of responsibility in the body of elders is that of presiding overseer. Effective January 1, 2009, the term "presiding overseer" will no longer be used, since that expression may convey the thought that one overseer holds more authority than the rest do. Scripturally, individual elders are to cooperate closely with the body of elders, with each member holding equal authority. Hence, no elder is above the others in the body, and none of them should try to dominate the others.--Matt. 23:10; od p. 37 par. 1.

    In view of this, the designation "presiding overseer" is being changed to "coordinator of the body of elders." This term more correctly describes his role as one who helps the body of elders to work together harmoniously. He is not the coordinator of the congregation but rather the coordinator of the body of elders. In recognition of Christ's headship, he humbly works along with the other elders in caring for the flock of God.--Rom. 12:10; 1 Pet. 5:2,3.

    We are confident that this adjustment will help all to more fully understand how the body of elders functions. Please accept a sincere expression of our appreciation for your tireless work in behalf of Kingdom interests.

    Your brothers,

    Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

    cc: Traveling overseers

    PS to presiding overseer:

    Please promptly arrange for this letter to be read to the body of elders. All the cited scriptures and the cited paragraph in the Organized book should be included in the reading. Thereafter, the secretary should place the letter in the congregaition's permanent file of policy letters. An announcement regarding this change will appear in Our Kingdom Ministry.

    M asilentone posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:21:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Billy, Thank you for the letter.

    M asilentone posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:24:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    We will find out how the bodies of elders will adjust to this new policy in 2009. It should be interesting to see how it would play out in 2009.

    F saklunch posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:29:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    seriously.......talk about straining out a gnat while gulping down a camel. Let's worry about symantics and ignore the hypocrisy and the pedophilia, etc etc etc. So typical. Thanks Billy for keeping us up to date.

    Sarah

    M ldrnomo posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:32:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Following that line of logic, I propose that the bORG change the name of pioneer to "Door to door publishers who waste more time then other publishers"

    That way the congregation won't think that those bigger time wasters are actually uncovering new territory like that of a pioneer.

    LD

    M besty posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:32:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Another piece of the jigsaw.

    The word 'coordinator' definitely carries the thought of equality and same rank

    But why move to make the PO less powerful? Perhaps to fit better into a new circuit-level structure with the soon to be axed CO's and uber-Circuit elders? The coordinator will be a focal point for the passage of information between the circuit elders and the local elders, not a decision maker in his ow right but more of a conduit - a single point of contact if you like....more speculation on my part..

    A powerful 'PO' would be a threat to this new structure so lets make all elders equal as a first step.?

    There is no doubt in my mind that there is a big picture strategy behind all these changes - slowly the image of the beast is coming into focus.

    And the next announcement will be.....

    F horrible life posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:59:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Thank goodness. It's about time!! All of my letters to Bethel finally paid off. My wish has been granted. I can sleep peacefully tonight.

    seriously.......talk about straining out a gnat while gulping down a camel. Let's worry about symantics and ignore the hypocrisy and the pedophilia, etc etc etc. So typical. Thanks Billy for keeping us up to date.

    saklunch, You are dead on with your statement!! And thanks from me Billy. I hope that you someday are able to report that the WT is in big, big trouble with something. By the way, with all the talk of Palin being Hot, I think you are hot. Just thought I would throw that in, especially since nobody reads my posts, and it will be buried here for eternity.

    choosing life posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:08:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Thanks, Billy, for the letter. The watchtower world is a crazy merry-go-round. My head feels much better since I got off.

    And, Horrible Life, I read your post!

    M asilentone posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:13:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Horrible Life, I have read your entire post!

    M JeffT posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:32:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Yawn.

    They could call them bananas if they wanted to, it wouldn't change anything. I suspect that elders who want to throw their weight around will find a way to continue doing so. It's just more window dressing to keep the R&F in line.

    M watson posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:36:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Are the "POs" feeling the pressure of possible legal problems, so the org is spreading the liability to settle nerves?

    F FlyingHighNow posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:50:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    A skunkcabbage by any other name would stink as badly.

    M frankiespeakin posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:51:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    A rose by another name is still a rose. Talk about alot of todo about nothing,, a name change that is,,, the questions begs though is the motive for the name change based on an reaction to some legal battles they have fought in the past or are presently facing?? In an effort to distance themselves from liability by leaving elders who have followed thier advice high and dry when legal issues are violated?

    I'm sure past lawsuit settlement have gotten the the old foegies on the GB to reconcidered things of a legal nature to protect thier a$$ets. This type of thinking could possibly lead less control over bodies of elders. Lets hope.

    WTWizard posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:18:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    This is nothing more than changing the label. I have seen this deceptive practice many times--including a label that says "No MSG" only to have "hydrolyzed soy protein" on the label. It does exactly the same thing, but the label is clean.

    Here, by eliminating one term and substituting another, we are witnessing a "clean label" on the congregation. That is an attempt to foil law enforcement (obstruction of justice) as well as make the congregations look like they are going mainstream. And it is a needed source of excitement for the members, who are getting sick of the waste of paper distribution campaigns as sources of excitement.

    F yknot posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:44:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    alt

    M Rabbit posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:10:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Lipstick on a Pig...still a Pig !

    F Mickey mouse posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:40:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    I agree with watson - this is a legal move.

    Fits in with jeffreywhat's thread six months ago.

    Thanks Billy. Thank You 4

    cameo-d posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:47:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    caring for the flock of God

    Ever wonder why god needs a flock?

    In the beginning, humans became herders and shepherds because many animals were required for blood sacrifice. Every time there was infringement of rules and law, blood sacrifice was required or bad would happen to the whole clan. Rules and laws were made by the watcher angels to keep themselves fed with blood sacrifices (life is in the blood) so they could materialize in this dimension.

    Even today "god's flock" is human sacrifice...watchtower slaves. They give over their whole lives. That is an unnecessary sacrifice and in reality, a sacrifice to the god satan.

    Gill posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:16:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    How strange!

    So, does a 'Coordinator' not sound like he might be the same as someone who 'Oversees'?

    Do they not have a dictionary, or someone who can read and understand a dictionary in Crooklyn?

    Bizarre, but very confirming of the stupidity of Jehovah's Witnesses!

    Satanus posted Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:52:00 GMT(9/17/2008)

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    Now, j hoover is the 'Supreme Overseer'. I wonder if they sent him a letter to let him know of his new label.

    The mic handler could be relabelled the mic coordinator, lit serv the lit coordinator, field service coordinator, etc. Much ado about titles in the little boys' club.

    S

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