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what do you think about greg stafford?
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what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:20:00 GMT
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![]() Post 16 of 1924 Since 1/16/2008 |
It seems Greg Stafford has disassociated himself from the Watchtower Society? Do you think his new attempt to reform the society - he claims that 'Christian Witnesses of Jah' are Jehovah's Witnesses - stands a chance to spur on changes or is he just 'forging' another split group that will fade out quickly? |
Awakened07
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:00 GMT
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![]() Post 717 of 1087 Since 8/1/2007 |
I don't know the man, but seeing as he tries to reform JWs, it is clear that he has bought into what he has been taught by them, although not all of it. All sects, denominations, and religions are like branches and twigs on an ever growing tree (like some other process I know of). I'm not convinced neither God nor Truth is at the stem or root of that tree unfortunately. Greg's "new religion" will be an insignificant twig on a side branch way out on one side of that tree - just like the original JWs before it. |
BurnTheShips
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:40:00 GMT
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![]() Post 1720 of 16671 Since 8/28/2006 |
I don't think Greg Stafford has enough influence to do anything other than make a small dent. A few may hear what he has to say and leave but I think that is it. As for his own split group, I don't think it will go anywhere. Burn |
Honesty
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:00 GMT
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![]() TennesseePost 7445 of 8509 Since 1/12/2005 |
He clings to the apostate doctrines taught to Jehovah's Witnesses by the demonised Governing Body.
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prophecor
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:30:00 GMT
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![]() PennsylvaniaPost 5027 of 5051 Since 12/4/2003 |
Greg, who? |
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:51:00 GMT
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He clings to the apostate doctrines taught to Jehovah's Witnesses by the demonised Governing Body. Are you referring to the rejection of deity of Christ and the use of God's name as revealed in OT manuscripts? I think it would be very embarrassing for him to change his mind after writing JW Defended and debating with Dr. White on these matters. Besides, the GB have no full control over these doctrines - that would give them too much honor - anti-trinitarianism has remained an alternative to mainstream christianity until the fourth century. |
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:57:00 GMT
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![]() Post 18 of 1924 Since 1/16/2008 |
Greg, who? I don't know what his status is in the States, but in Europe he's totally unknown (at least, among JWs). |
ninja
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:01:00 GMT
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![]() Scotland, GlasgowPost 2780 of 5857 Since 10/5/2006 |
hey hamill...a few of the JW's here in Scotland are well aware of him and the JW's defended book
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:15:00 GMT
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![]() Post 19 of 1924 Since 1/16/2008 |
hey ninja, well I should have said continental Europe how do these JWs react to the latest developments? maybe a strange question, do you think it is possible JW Defended is to become forbidden literature because of Stafford's independent mind? |
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Re: Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:02:00 GMT
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Post 1511 of 4006 Since 4/19/2003 |
hamilcarr I think it would be very embarrassing for him to change his mind after writing JW Defended and debating with Dr. White on these matters. How big of a role do you think the debate with James White played? It was a while back, and I remember this being discussed on the Dividing Line. I can't believe it's taken this long. |
BurnTheShips
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Re: Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:26:00 GMT
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![]() Post 1747 of 16671 Since 8/28/2006 |
hey hamill...a few of the JW's here in Scotland are well aware of him and the JW's defended book Stafford adds intellectual clothing to basic JW theology. Something even the GB is not capable of (anymore). Burn |
Dagney
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:17:00 GMT
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CaliforniaPost 858 of 2787 Since 8/14/2006 |
I don't think most USA JW's are aware of him, unless you are on the internet. I think it's great he changed his mind. What's wrong with changing your mind on what you believe? |
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:41:00 GMT
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Post 65 of 80 Since 9/5/2007 |
It's sad the WT has alienated the last truly capable scholar they had. The GB doesn't even make a serious attempt at apologeticism anymore. He was the only chance they had left to be taken seriously. Oh well... it was only a matter of time.
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:05:00 GMT
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![]() Post 20 of 1924 Since 1/16/2008 |
How big of a role do you think the debate with James White played? I think it played a role in the confined community of apolegists. James White put a small part of the debate on his YouTube account (4000 views). I think he has some good standing among 'thinking christians', he's apparently among the few JW's taken seriously. |
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:10:00 GMT
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![]() Post 21 of 1924 Since 1/16/2008 |
Scotland is Europe? ;-) I also thought Europe stopped at Hadrian's wall :-))) |
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:47:00 GMT
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![]() Post 195 of 279 Since 8/17/2005 |
greg's a nice guy, very smart, and fun. I don't agree with him on many things. he used to hang out with a buddy of mine and they came down my house a few times for a couple of beers. some of his family went to the same KH i used to go to.
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:28:00 GMT
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![]() Post 64 of 191 Since 5/23/2008 |
Greg has launched a redesigned web page at
http://elihubooks.com
His third edition of Jehovah's Witnesses Defended
is due to be published in October 2008.
Has anyone heard of developments in his
standing with the WT. Is he in or out?
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yknot
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:43:00 GMT
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![]() Syrian Arab Republic Post 2694 of 7956 Since 8/24/2007 |
I think each person who wakes up and admits to themselves they don't believe the WTS...... deals with it in their own way. This is his current way of dealing with the loss of faith. His way of trying to make sense of everything. |
Dagney
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:58:00 GMT
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CaliforniaPost 1601 of 2787 Since 8/14/2006 |
From what I understand he is busy with his personal life and the work he was doing on the website. He's a very nice, intelligent guy trying to figure out his faith. As far as I know, and I would probably would hear about it, there has been no judicial action as of yet. |
Uzzah
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Re: what do you think about greg stafford?
posted Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:03:00 GMT
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![]() Johnston Atoll (U.S.) Post 1907 of 2107 Since 1/22/2003 |
He like many are still trying to figure out what they believe. It is a shame he is trying to attract so many to follow after him. Just like Russell, Rutherford, Ghandi, and so many others Greg is still searching and the pawns follow him like sheep. he is a man with doubts, uncertainties and best guesses. I don't wish him any ill will but people need to realize he is searching just like they are with no solid answers. People just need to do what they feel they should. Beyond that is simply human conjecture. |



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