Think ive changed...can see it quite a bit laterly.PLEASE!!

Putting this out there.....going back 12months ago I was completely different to how i am now. I am still loyal to Jah and dont go against the scriptures, but even though ive recently returned to pioneering (only aux pio at present) I see im a little more laid back.

I think this has come through having to endure hell and back without any help, except Jehovah, which im not complaining, im so glad his been there for me, for us both. But i really believe that due to things that have badly and wrongly been allowed to take place etc its moulded me a little different to how I was. Unsure if thats a good thing or not? Am i being misled by satan or has it been a re moulding for the better.

Did any of you feel like this before leaving? (hope not, never want to leave) but just want to have serious answers please......im really asking as a friend...please :)

darling going through bad times does change you, thats a fact.

what will also change you is if you had littl or no help from the people that are supposed to love you and support you.

you don't sound too sure of yourself, i suggest you let your mind and heart speak to you..it sounds like they are trying to tell you somthing.

...somthing i eventualy had to ask myself when i got to your postion is: Does it make sense that a religon supposedly directed by gods holy spirt could act in such an unloving way to one of its members? Jehovah may well be real, but is this his organisation?

I think of you as someone who believes in a supreme being,,, I have to ask; Why do you have to name him Jehovah?

If a supreme being existed, and I followed the commandments of the bible, would he destroy me because I didn't call him Jehovah?  

dont believe he would destroy you for not calling him Jehovah.

Hello AE,

I'm on the tail end of the hell your went through.  The lack of love and compassion from the B/S let alone the elders after we found out our child was molested by a fellow JW, was to say the least, devastating. It's still fresh in my mind and even now as others are now showing a bit of interest I can't forget the fact that when we needed them the most they couldn't or didn't help us. Like yourself we were left to rely completely on Jehovah and of course fleshly family to get through the toughest few years of our lives. 

For me it drew me closer to God and it showed me he was the one helping us along, it was nothing like what the articles put out about how our elders are their to protect us from the storms or how our B/S should be willing to die for each other. It opened my eyes up to the fact that the love given is conditional upon what those taking the lead in the congregation are doing. Sadly in our case it's not a subject they like talked about.

I'm impressed you can make a go at it again, because no matter how much easier it would make things with or JW family members the hypocrisy keeps me from going again I can't sit and listen to how loving we are and how we take care of each other when in need over and over again without wanting to scream.

Not many of us ever will have the misfortune of seeing the real side of testing out that LOVE within the congregation but I have and I don't think I will ever be able to forget and believe as I once did.  Instead I take it as Jehovah giving me the answers to my prayers and showing me he is not with these people right now or ever. That's a hard thing to admit.

Probably the most 'profound' point I remember from Pioneer School was the conductor saying: Run at a pace you can keep.

It comes from behaving in a balanced manner.  For most, long-term full-time pioneering is just too much and they burn out.  (That's part of what happened to me.)

I don't know your history, but time, life and experience all tend to temper us to become more balanced in our approach to many things in life.

Find time for the big and simple pleasures in life.  Be kind to people, JWs or not.  DFd or not.

Embrace the growth and change.

-Aude Sapere.  (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

AE..

       You say:

                                       You go to a Kingdom Hall..

                       Where you can do whatever the Hell you Want!..

                                    With NO CONSEQUENSES!!!..

           THE WBT$ is`nt interested in money from your Kingdom Hall..

                                                    So..

                           They Hide the WBT$ Contribution Box`s!..

                      What JW,would`nt want to go to your Kingdom Hall??!

                  Theres not another Kingdom Hall like it, on Planet Earth!..

                                              ANYWHERE!!..

                          Why would you even consider leaving?..

                                                           ....................................OUTLAW

thanks truthseekeriam, so deeply sorry to hear of your terrible ordeal. How ones within the congregations can pray to Jah and honestly feel they are being christlike!! I sometimes think its ones like them who forget what being a TRUE servant of Jehovah is all about.

aude sapere I too went to pioneer school but thats a good quote your c/o said, brilliant!! thanks for sharing that :)

outlaw..ive never said no conscequences, you read and make your own conclusions....and ive never said im thinking of leaving. I'll never leave Jah.....

For me, learning/changing has usually involved pain.  However, leaving the wt was different.  I never really experienced bad stuff in the org.  I didn't leave because of that.  I merely saw that god wasn't directing the gb, in their meetings.  When i did leave, it was a HUGE wieght off of me.  For the first time, i felt free.  But again, that's not why i left.  The freedom and lightness was merely an unexpected result.

S

AE..

         .ive never said no conscequences,

                      Your behaviour as a Jehovah`s Witness is Outrageous!!

                   You have Publicly said your Elders have no problem with that..

                   A Jehovah`s Witness would never get away,with what you have..

                                       Except at your Kingdom Hall..

              "Did any of you feel like this before leaving? (hope not, never want to leave)"

                     Obviously you have a concern about feeling a certain way..

                                             Because..

                   Your afraid you may want to leave if you have certain feelings..

                            There it is in your own words..

                        I did`nt write your posts for you..

                                 You wrote them..

                                           ................................OUTLAW

yup as you clearly state...you mis conclude all the time :) but hey im not having a go at you..nothing personal.

Im not outrageous,i live a good morally clean life. My elders are fine with my lifestyle for i do nothing unscriptual.

Yes i said i DONT want to leave...hence showing what you said "why would i consider leaving" ive never considered that. Thankyou.x

Do you think pioneering will give you better odds of making into the Paradise Earth instead of having your God splatter your guts all over the place?

Yes or no.

Farkel

no

Angel Eyes, I still don't understand why you are drawn here, knowing the Faithful Slave says this is a bad place. It seems like you're trying to make friends with "apostates". Isn't this wrong for you to do?

AE..

           I`ve never said you live an immoral life..

                               Or..

             Have done anything wrong..

                               The Fact Is..

           For a Jehovah`s Witness..You are Outrageous!..

        Your life style is Not in Accordance with WBT$ Rules..

             Your Actions would never be tollerated,in any Kingdom Hall..

                                   Except yours..LOL!!

                                           ................................OUTLAW

i no outlaw...i never said you had said id been immoralim not having ago at you..i think your cool, honestly.

  ANGEL EYES-  Good thread .  I think many of us when finding out about the injustices committed inside the witnesses do have confusion about what we are finding out. There is a reason for that confusion. You asked in your thread, " Am I being misled by Satan or has it been a remolding for the better ? " I'm here to verify and let you know definitely- it's " been a remolding for the better . " 

  Try to understand what I'm going to tell you - this is VERY important. Many religious groups- ( not just JW's )  tell their members that if they hear about negative information about their particular group in the news, media, other written information , - even though it's true - members are told NOT to believe it because it comes from Satan " allegedly ".  So ALL mind control organizations use this technique to PREVENT YOU from discovering information you desperately need to know about in order to make an INFORMED decision about Jehovah's Witnesses or any other religion. If the WT society has nothing to hide - why would they tell their members NOT to research the internet to read varying information about Jehovah's Witnesses ?  It's because they DO have something to hide which they don't want you or others to discover- as they don't want to lose more members due to dirtry laundry being exposed.

  I really would encourage you to read 2 important books. " Combatting Cult Mind Control " by Steve Hassan & his second book, " Releasing the Bonds- Empowering People to Think for Themselves ". These 2 books helped me to see after exiting Jehovah's Witnsses that it WAS a good thing to inform myself and discover ALL information I could have access to. I learned it was not a good thing but a negative thing that the WT society exercised " information control" over it's members. Think about it - the ONLY way to reeducate yourself is to have access to a variety of information. People are not allowed to do that in the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Reading Hassan's books helped clear up a lot of confusing feelings for me. I think it would do the same for you. Good luck, just know we are here for you if you have any questions. Peace out to you, Mr. Flipper

:no

Then why waste your time doing it?  

Your odds of winning the lottery jackpot, getting struck by lightning, discovering a cure for all cancer and winning the Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes all in the SAME DAY are much better than your odds of even getting ONE JW convert in the next 20 years of pioneering.

Farkel

AE..

        I don`t think your having a go at me either..

                         Nor am I at you..(I gave you a Frigg`n cute Bunny for Chriss sake!..LOL!!)

                            I am having a go at your posts though..

                                 I debate the subject at hand..

                                         Personally..

               You`d probably be Fun to go to the Pub with..

                                                                ................................OUTLAW

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