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    F Cc81 posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:02:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6? They have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism. I was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad. I cant help but wonder why they would continue having children after realizing that the older children of the bunch had autism. The oldest child is 14, the youngest being 3. I do not mean to sound ignorant or mean. They must be amazing parents to do what they do everyday. I have a lot of experience with children who have autism having worked as a nanny for special needs children for about 10 years. Its one of the hardest things to deal with. Its a very sad thing.. i just dont think i would have continued having children after realizing all of the older children were special needs.. Any thoughts on this?

    F LDH posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:04:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Any thoughts on this?

    Yes.

    I don't feel sorry for them at all. That's what they wanted. They clearly don't believe in genetic testing or abortion. I'm not going to cheerlead for them.

    F reneeisorym posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:17:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/

    Would you allow Bill Gates to be born?

    Gates is widely reported to display many personality traits characteristic of a condition known as Asperger’s syndrome. Asperger’s is a mild version of autism, a more serious condition that renders many children unable to talk, be touched, communicate or socialize. While I certainly do not know if Gates has Asperger’s, his difficulties in social settings are nearly as legendary as his genius, so it's possible.

    The perils of genetic testingThat said, if you had been Gates' potential mom or dad 50 years ago, what would you have done if you knew about his abilities and flaws before he was born? Would you have wanted a child that would go on to do great things but would have a hyper-nerdy personality? What if the decision about whether to have a child like him also carried a risk that he might be born with far more serious disabilities? Would you have decided to carry the baby to term?

    F Cc81 posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:26:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Renee, that is very interesting. I personally do not believe in abortion so i would carry a baby to term regardless of what condition they had. I just found it sad that all 6 of these children have autism. And like i said.. after giving birth to 2 or 3 children who had autism you would think there plates would be completely full as it is. I think at that point i would want to prevent pregnancy so i could focus on the ones i had.

    AnneB posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:32:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    If you knew a woman who had 7 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you think she should stop having children?

    Her 8th child was Beethoven.

    Live and let live.

    F Nowman posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:44:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    CC81,

    I think the same way you do, if it were me, and had 3 children and all had autism, I would not have more (try to not have more by prevention) because they would need my attention. I know it would be difficult. In fact, if I had 2 in a row that were autistic, I would have made the decision to stop having more children by prevention.

    If there was an accident while trying to prevent having more babies, I would have my child, those would be the cards I was dealt with.

    Interesting thread, interesting comments.

    Nikki

    M SixofNine posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:54:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    I think the parents are mentally ill.

    Satanus posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:51:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Reneeisorym and Anneb

    Have any of those kids started a computer company, or written symphonies? No? Then, by all means, they should keep having kids until one starts doing that.

    S

    F rebel8 posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:12:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    I know there are anecdotes about disabled people achieving great things. This makes me wonder 2 things:

    1. Why do we not hear anecdotes about the overall quality of life, happiness, etc. of these individuals?
    2. What percentage of seriously disabled people achieve unusually great things for the human race such as those mentioned here?

    I have very serious health issues and my parents knew I'd probably have one of them. I do not feel it was ethical for them to intentionally conceive. I have achieved some big stuff in my life, had a lot of happiness, made lemonade out of lemons, but my life always has been fraught with struggles. My achievements do not mitigate my parents' giving priority to their own desires.

    I hear parents of disabled people say often, "I asked him when he got older, and he wasn't sorry he was born." /80

    F reneeisorym posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:10:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Live and let live.

    I understand everyone's point. I think I would stop having kids after 2 that had autism myself. But I also don't think it's my place to say what someone else should or shouldn't do.

    Should Palin run for VP considering she has 5 kids -- one with a DS and the other pregnant? I wouldn't do it. But that's me. She can make her own decisions for her.

    AnneB posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:18:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Have any of those kids started a computer company, or written symphonies? No? Then, by all means, they should keep having kids until one starts doing that.

    They should do whatever they do and no one else should pass judgement on it!

    1. Why do we not hear anecdotes about the overall quality of life, happiness, etc. of these individuals?

    Because there is no measurement or standard to apply to all people. Also because it's a personal matter based on many factors including perspective.

    2. What percentage of seriously disabled people achieve unusually great things for the human race such as those mentioned here?

    Again, there is no measurement. What constitutes "seriously disabled"? What are "unusually great things"? Who is qualified to make these determinations? Again, perspective.

    I have very serious health issues and my parents knew I'd probably have one of them. I do not feel it was ethical for them to intentionally conceive. I have achieved some big stuff in my life, had a lot of happiness, made lemonade out of lemons, but my life always has been fraught with struggles. My achievements do not mitigate my parents' giving priority to their own desires.

    Everybody struggles, including all the so-called "healthy" people. Every body is less than perfect. Some "serious" disabilities are more visible than others. You're here. You have health issues. Deal with it. Your parents don't owe you or anyone else an explanation of why they live their lives as they do. Your ethics are just that, yours. Applying them to other people, expecting others to conform to your standards, is the road to dissatisfaction and regret.

    M ninja posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:24:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    autism times six....wow....imagine taking them rainmen to the casino......bingooooooooooo!!!!!

    F rebel8 posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:30:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    "Again, there is no measurement. What constitutes "seriously disabled"? What are "unusually great things"? Who is qualified to make these determinations? Again, perspective."

    So some anecdotes are ok but others are not?

    "Everybody struggles, including all the so-called "healthy" people. Every body is less than perfect."

    And this is news?

    "You're here. You have health issues. Deal with it."

    Go to Hell.

    "Your parents don't owe you or anyone else an explanation of why they live their lives as they do."

    I didn't ask them for an explanation, so what's your point?

    "Your ethics are just that, yours. Applying them to other people, expecting others to conform to your standards, is the road to dissatisfaction and regret."

    I didn't apply my ethics to anyone else. Reading comprehension.

    AnneB posted Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:33:00 GMT(9/24/2008)

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    Go to Hell.

    You've already taken up all the space and you're wallowing in it.

    Get a life.

    M daniel-p posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    Wow, this thread devolved pretty fast. i was gonna chime in with something, but i think I'll just move along....

    F truthsearcher posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:13:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    Did anyone see Oprah today? She was talking about autism and apparently there are kids who are getting cured by their "warrior parents".

    F StAnn posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:58:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    1. Why do we not hear anecdotes about the overall quality of life, happiness, etc. of these individuals?
    2. What percentage of seriously disabled people achieve unusually great things for the human race such as those mentioned here?

    Okay, gotta chime in here.

    I have three children. One is "normal", one has autism and is profoundly mentally retarded, one has cerebral palsy and is severely mentally retarded. And then there's my husband; he's a man, so that covers that.

    My "normal" child has had the most issues about negative quality of life because he was raised a JW. My other two children are very happy, in part because they're not aware of the nonsense my oldest son was exposed to. I am less happy than my handicapped children because of my 25+ years in the Borg and the accompanying family problems, social problems, disfellowshipping, etc. My handicapped children's quality of life is far superior to those of us who have to deal with the day to day crap of living. All my handicapped children have to deal with is whether to watch Barney or Caillou or whether they want orange juice or apple juice. They're spoiled rotten, very happy, and I like it that way. They are completely innocent and wonderful. My oldest son, the normal one, he's the one with the most struggles.

    What percentage of seriously "normal" people achieve unusually great things for the human race????? Very few. Why should mentally handicapped people be expected to exceed the standards of normal people? How many normal people with no obstacles in their lives achieve virtually nothing? How many cascade into a spiral of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, self-pity, adultery, materialism, etc.? It's not like every normal person I know is out there trying to raise funds to free political prisoners or some other great work. Most are out there trying to amass as much stuff for themselves as possible with little thought to the world around them.

    Personally, two handicapped children is all I can handle. I love them dearly but, if I had six autistic children, I'd just get in the car and drive to Mexico and never come back.

    StAnn

    F LDH posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:08:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    My other two children are very happy, in part because they're not aware of the nonsense my oldest son was exposed to.

    Based on this schematic, if they were sexually abused or physically abused they'd never know the difference there either.

    Look--you can do what you want to do. All I know is how difficult it is (physically, financially, morally) to raise two completely healthy children and expose them to the best life has to offer. I have a workmate who can't even afford the *ucking 6 kids he has, and yet his wife is getting surgery so they can have two more!!!!!

    Only the ignorant pop babies out without a financial plan. Only the ignorant allow their children to breeze through school on the hopes that there's a scholarship somewhere out there that will help them go to school. Only the ignorant pop out babies without regard to planning exactly how it is they're going to parent that child.

    Because the rest of us know, that even with a plan things go awry.

    I am sorry and don't mean to offend anyone, but the natural life cycle says that moms and dads don't really have to change diapers much after the age of 2. I would not and could not intentionally bring a child into this world that did not have the capability of growing into a normal human.

    St. Ann for your other two there is always therapy.

    F LDH posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:14:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    No? Then, by all means, they should keep having kids until one starts doing that.

    Exactly.

    If there is one message I could get across to poor women worldwide it would be to STOP HAVING GODD@MN BABIES!!!!

    This is what Margaret Sanger fought so hard for. Women if you don't know who this is, you should be shamed into learning.

    Initially met with fierce opposition to her ideas, Sanger gradually won some support, both in the public as well as in the courts, for a woman's choice to decide how and when, if ever, she will bear children. In her drive to open the way to universal access to birth control, Sanger was a controversial figure whom some now consider ahead of her time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

    F LDH posted Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:17:00 GMT(9/25/2008)

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    In 1912, after a fire destroyed the home that her husband had designed, Sanger and her family moved to New York City, where she went to work in the East Side slums of Manhattan. That same year, she also started writing a column for the New York Call entitled "What Every Girl Should Know." Distributing a pamphlet, Family Limitation, to women, Sanger repeatedly caused scandal and risked imprisonment by acting in defiance of the Comstock Law of 1873, which outlawed as obscene the dissemination of contraceptive information and devices.

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