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Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
Confession
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Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:46:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 244 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
The facts for those who don't know me: 39 years old, former elder, 3rd generation of 4th generation JW family, figured things out September 15, 2004, moved with my 18 year old daughter from Michigan to Southern California (July 1st, 2005) in an attempt to fade, still haven't told any family or JW friends about my position in this regard.Was back in Michigan for a week over the Labor Day time period. (I know that was awhile ago.) I stayed with my older brother and sister-in-law for a couple of days. (Both zealous JWs. He an elder; she a 20-plus year pioneer.) While my brother was gone, she and I spoke for a bit. In conversation, she made a statement I was pretty shocked to hear. She was discussing how important it was for us not to be serving "an organization," because then we're not really cultivating a relationship with Jehovah. Then she made light reference as to how this may be difficult considering how the organization lays down so much for us to follow that we have little choice but to just do what they say. She also said, "Sometimes it seems like our organization is kind of...disciplinarian...y'know?" I agreed with her, then shared the details of my disfellowshipping of a couple of years earlier. (I was reinstated thereafter.) I explained how, as an elder, I'd been doing some research on the subject of confession, and how surprised I was to discover that the Bible doesn't really teach that confession to men is necessary to receive Jehovah's forgiveness. I also shared how shocked I was to discover within the organization's writings that the WTS seems itself to recognize this--but how they can use it as a reason to disfellowship you anyway. I told her how it was my sharing this finding with brothers in my Judicial Committee that ultimately resulted in my disfellowshipping. She was appalled when I told her how the chairman (a close friend of mine) had called after my disfellowshipping, saying that, "In hindsight, I'm not sure it was the right decision." (That is, to disfellowship me.) I don't think she is anywhere close to believing that it's not "The Truth," but there was a little opening there, and I hope it opens more. Later that week, I had dinner with my mom and dad. In their early 70s, zealous JWs, dad, an elder, has professed to be of the anointed since before I was born. My mom was asking me about the college classes my daughter was taking. My dad, balancing discretion with a desire to mimic WTS teaching, made a few comments about secular education. I made a few comments about how I was glad the Society had relaxed its position on college a bit. He became bothered by that, claiming that they never did any such thing. I got a bit loud, saying... "You know they did. You know that when I was a teen they were very clear that college was off-limits." I reminded him of the Watchtower ten years or so ago that modified this a bit, stating something to the effect, that 'given the difficulty of meeting material needs today, it might be necessary for some to receive education beyond high school.' I knew it for a fact because I was the WT reader when that article was being studied.
Then his comments began to ramble a bit as to what the Society has deemed a conscience matter and what they've said wouldn't be. He even used the example of the YMCA, and made a not entirely relevant statement about how there is nothing "Christian" about the "Young Mens Christian Association." And how it's ultimately a part of "Babylon the Great." I couldn't hold back. I asked...
"Dad, what would you say is worse? Entering into a close relationship with Babylon the Great or doing so with the United Nations, the wild beast of Revelation?" He became a bit cautious, first saying "Babylon the Great," and then saying either would be as bad. I paused, nodded, and then wimped out. I didn't get into the whole UN-NGO thing. Perhaps another time. But the thing I found interesting is that, especially while discussing education, my mother seemed to be very engaged, almost proud to hear me making the statements that I did.
I always recognized my mother as being a very zealous JW, but my sister-in-law made some comments about how my mom was always cross-checking Watchtower articles in the past--and frequently finding fault with some ot the things advanced by the Society. I don't think mom let me see this as a child, but it made me harken back to when she used to express such regret about not getting our teeth fixed as children. We had a JW dentist, and some of us (particularly my brother) had pretty crooked teeth. This dentist had told mom not to worry about getting us braces, since there'll be no need. The New System is right around the corner anyway! I remember her feeling a good deal of irritation over that.
Anyway, I'm presently on page 16 of my treatise, "Why the Watchtower Society is not What it Purports to Be." I may someday send it to my family, but right now it is really just for me. It is helping me articulate exactly my reasons for leaving this organization--and why I think they should too. Upon finishing this, I will feel I have what it takes to face them. |
daystar
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:50:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() TexasPost 1039 of 5179 Since 6/22/2005 |
Many kudos to you, brother! I would hope you allow some here to view your treatise when it is complete.
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Darth Yhwh
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:58:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() OhioPost 554 of 1328 Since 7/8/2005 |
Excellent post Confession. I probably would have continued with the NGO issue a little bit more though. It's in my nature to push buttons. I too have recently begun work on my treatise along the same subject lines as yours. I started it as a letter to my mother but now it's turned into therapy for me and Im not sure if she'll ever see it or not. Anyway, congradulations, and perhaps your sees will sprout. Good luck.
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Confession
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:58:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 245 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
I'll certainly be happy to, Daystar. Presently I imagine that it will end up being about forty pages, but I'll do my best to edit myself. Right now it contains a fairly complete commentary with references on "False Prophets," as well as an examination into the Society's forthright statements about how there is nothing to fear from an open examination into any religion, but how they clearly whistle a different tune when it means examining their religion.
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Confession
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:53:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 246 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
Hey, Darth... I probably would have continued with the NGO issue a little bit more though. Yes, I have to admit I wish I had seized that opportunity. At the time I'd just told myself I wasn't ready to bring on the avalanche. |
Jourles
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:44:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() Post 1190 of 3188 Since 3/26/2000 |
What part of MI were you from?
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Confession
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:42:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 247 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
Hey, Jourles.... I'll send you a personal message on this... |
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:49:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() MassachusettsPost 305 of 892 Since 1/1/2005 |
The most positive part of your post seems as though your mother, although part of the WTS is really looking for real answers and the truth. Perhaps you can discuss the UN with her but in a non threatening way - just asking questions...She seems like a searcher and maybe she will come upon the information or will be open to reading the information you provide.My husbands family completely shuts down to anything that is not WTS approved. When I tried to talk about silent lambs, Bill Bowen or the UN...they said they had already heard all they needed to hear from the Society. WG |
Confession
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:33:00 GMT
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![]() ArizonaPost 248 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
Yes, that's what I'm thinking, Georgia. The only thing that's held me back until now is that she can become pretty emotional. She's a huge crier. And she would never be able to hold back from telling everyone in the family--and this would NOT be the way I'd like them to discover my position.
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freedomlover
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:53:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() Post 29 of 1166 Since 10/11/2005 |
You may know this already but just in case......this past summer's District Convention expressed that secular education is AGAIN a big no-no! The drama was all about that. There have since been study articles out about how bad secular education is again. back and forth, back and forth, back and forth - the insanity!
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Confession
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:08:00 GMT
(11/3/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 250 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
Yes, I'd heard of this. That said, I can also express how glad I am that my "awakening" has occurred just in time for my daughter to start college. She's 18, and just started two months ago!
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:21:00 GMT
(11/7/2005)
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Post 1187 of 2568 Since 12/17/2004 |
Great job Confession.It sounds like your sister in law was getting some issues off her chest and felt you were a safe person to confide in. Maybe her hubby won't listen or she's afraid to talk with him.Sounds like things may change one day. |
Confession
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Re: Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:54:00 GMT
(11/8/2005)
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![]() ArizonaPost 258 of 2171 Since 6/29/2004 |
Sounds like things may change one day. Yes it does. Although my family is full of particularly zealous JWs--I have trouble believing that I will be the ONLY one to figure it out. |
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Re: Visits with my family; Planting seeds...
posted Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:01:00 GMT
(11/8/2005)
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Post 1197 of 2568 Since 12/17/2004 |
I know exactly what you mean. It does seem, however, that when someone who is from a zealous family leaves (without the usual problems of sex and/or drugs[in the dubs minds]) that a ripple does occur within the rest of the family members. A disbelief if you will that someone would leave and not be df'd for something heinous. That ripple may be just the shock some of the younger or wiser members need to think for a second.
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