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Horrific Violence in Today's Movies.

    M ohiocowboy posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:55:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I found an article today that discusses the new Batman movie. Growing up, I remember the Batman and Robin TV show from the 1960's, and I assumed that the Dark Knight movies would be along the same lines. Boy, was I wrong!!! Reading about just the beginning of the movie is enough to provide a sane person many nights of pure, hellish nightmares. It seems that Hollywood tries to see how far they can push the violence in the movies they put out. In the Dark Knight, it appears that they have gone all out.

    The reviewer of the movie in the below link says this:

    "But the greatest surprise of all – even for me, after eight years spent working as a film critic – has been the sustained level of intensely sadistic brutality throughout the film.

    I will attempt to confine my plot spoilers to the opening: the film begins with a heist carried out by men in sinister clown masks. As each clown completes a task, another shoots him point-blank in the head. The scene ends with a clown – The Joker – stuffing a bomb into a wounded bank employee's mouth.

    After the murderous clown heist, things slip downhill. A man's face is filleted by a knife, and another's is burned half off. A man's eye is slammed into a pencil. A bomb can be seen crudely stitched inside another man's stomach, which subsequently explodes. A trussed-up man is bound to a chair and set alight atop a pile of banknotes.

    A plainly terrorised child is threatened at gunpoint by a man with a melted face. It is all intensely realistic." Dark Knight review The above is just from the beginning of the movie, and evidently the whole movie is filled with the same type of violence. I never saw the first Dark Knight movie that came out a couple of years ago, so I don't know if it is filled with the same type of violence. What happened to the days when a person or family could go to see a movie like Superman, etc. without seeing things that would put Hannibal Lecter or Freddie Kreuger to shame? I realize that there must be a demand for such things, otherwise the studios wouldn't add it as part of the movie. Personally, my Partner and I can't stand to see such things (even moreso since I have personally survived a terroristic act), and needless to say, our options of what to watch are somewhat limited. When watching a movie or TV show, we change the channel at the very first sign of gore (Not the Al type of Gore-lol) and extreme violence, whether it be to a human or an Animal. Thankfully, there are a few select action movies that keep the violence in check, and don't go overboard. I have found the Transformers movies to be fairly decent and at least tolerable, as they show a lot of action, but they don't get graphic by blatantly showing body parts flying everywhere accompanied by blood and guts. A movie does NOT need to be graphically violent to be good. It saddens me that a faction of society enjoys seeing people being sadisticly tortured, maimed, blown apart and sliced up in the most horrific ways imaginable as if it were nothing. It unfortunately happens all too often in real life, so why do people demand and enjoy to see it in the movies? I just can't comprehend. It's no wonder there is so much more bullying and hate nowadays. When people become used to seeing the butchery in the movies they become hardened to the point that it seems like normal behavior. It can also give bad people ideas of how to creatively hurt and torture another person or Animal. I hope that one day the producers of these movies realise that there are better ways to draw people to see them than to try to entice them through overkill violence, each time trying to outdo the last. The days of a cultural family icon such as Batman, where basically the only violence used to be a fake punch or kick followed by a balloon caption of Bam! Pow! and Zowie! are long gone, only to be replaced by scenes of graphically filleting someone's face like a fish. Sad. I feel distraught thinking about the shootings yesterday. At first, several of the victims thought it was just a promotional stunt and part of the movie until they realised that it in fact was real. Even more messed up was the fact that before the Dark Knight started, the theater showed a preview for a gangster movie where a gunman was shooting at people in the audience from behind the screen in a theater. Little did those unfortunate people know that they would be living the drama in real life only several moments later. There are no words to describe how those people felt, and my Partner and I share the heartbreak that the world is feeling over this tragic event. Humanity needs to get back on track really quickly before we literally destroy ourselves. I can't help but wonder if the violence portrayed in the movies had any influence on the shooter, and if so, to what extent. In the past, I've talked to people who feel the same way, so I know that it's not just me who feels the way I do about the violence. I have no idea what can be done to change things, but I refuse to give in and start watching such things. Each to their own I guess. Just putting my thoughts out there...Thanks for listening!

    F rebel8 posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:38:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I am so disturbed by violence in movies that I couldn't finish reading your post! So horrible, and despite research and education in psychology, I will never understand how any normal person can find it acceptable or entertaining.

    Usually I watch movies at home so I can fast forward through the violent parts.

    Thanks for alerting me to this. Batman movies are usually one of my favorites & I was considering seeing it in the theater. I would have had to walk out.

    designs posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:42:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    'We are addicted to violence' Bill Cosby

    Broken Promises posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:39:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    Well said.

    wannabefree posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:40:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I never saw the first Dark Knight movie that came out a couple of years ago, so I don't know if it is filled with the same type of violence.

    That review is from the Dark Night movie of a couple of years ago.

    M leavingwt posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:43:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    Violent crime has been on a steady decline in the U.S. for more than two decades.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/11/12170947-fbi-violent-crime-rates-in-the-us-drop-approach-historic-lows?lite

    M sooner7nc posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:49:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I really feel that it's an extension of the fact that in our very essence we are an incredibly violent species. Any social conditioning towards peaceful behavior seems to go out the window when people are put under the slightest of pressures. I sometimes find it hard to believe that there are 7 billion people on the planet considering how much we love to kill each other. I guess it just shows how much we like to f*** each other too.

    Now I think I'll go play Call Of Duty.

    M DaCheech posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:00:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I disagree with you.

    My little children watch more violence on the Animal channel.

    Yesterday they were ooooooohing and aaaaaaaahing the Chimpanzees chasing monkeys and ripping them limb from limb to eat them.

    F Quandry posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:04:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    Well, I agree with you and was saddened to know that there were people who took very small children to see these types of very violent movies.

    Children should not be exposed to this type of brutal sadism. They don't know how to distinguish real from fake, and how to asses what is right and wrong.

    I can only imagine the nightmares some of them must have.

    M DaCheech posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:25:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    My children (who watched animal violence. and were not scared but amazed) are frightened to death from movie violence, but are not frightened from cartoon violence.

    for some reason they love Pirates of the caribbean, even though I would still call freakish

    Sheep2slaughter posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:26:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    I'm sorry but the Dark Knight, the Batman movie from a few years ago that the OP was talking about, was an AWESOME movie. You really should watch it and form your own opinion. The way they carry out the violence isnt gorey. Kinda like how you said Transformers is. On top of that, the hero Batman, has a no guns no killing policy. That movie is so much more than the action that comprises parts of it. It delves into aspects of human nature, why we do what we do. Complications of right and wrong being viewed in absolutes, justice, honor, love, emotional damage, politics, making choices for the greater good, self sacrifice and of course some cool technology(if you're into that kinda stuff). Dark Knight is a well crafted movie that sets the standard for how a superhero movie can be done in a serious manner.

    M watson posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:36:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    Great over view Sheep2slaughter.

    But, warning......sustained and intense violence throughout the whole movie. It does not let up.

    Sheep2slaughter posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:47:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    Thanks Watson.

    Just to be clear, I was referencing The Dark Knight, not The Dark Knight Rises. Dark knight Rises is pretty crazy. Still not bloody but non stop violence from beginning to end.

    Glander posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:49:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    The real horrific violence is censored from the typical evening news. If one wants to see it, it is available through sites such as Live Leak, that have daily video of the atrocities in Syria, for example.

    Hollywood violence is very realistic, but adults know that it is faked.

    My point being that the violence OCB is referring to is desensitizing. Common sense tells you that it is numbing people to proper feelings of revulsion at the horror that really exists in the world.

    yourmomma posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:00:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    this is the type of pure bullshit i cannot stand. now before i go off, let me start out by saying that i totally respect it if like the OP states, he is used to old school batman, and i respect the fact that you dont like the new batman, and i can respect that you dont like violence in movies.

    However it is outrageous, unacceptable, ridiculus, and ludricus to in any way suggest that the dark night or any other movie, video game, book, etc in anyway is to blame for not only this shooting or any other. (not saying any of you are making that argument but i just got done the first of many newspaper articles suggesting such madness)

    give me a friggin break. i mean, i expect that from JW's, but come on. do some research, its pure BS.

    now again, i respect the fact that some of you dont like it, thats totally cool with me. but if anyone is suggesting in anyway that there is something wrong with people who like dark night, grand theft auto, or whatever is taking a ridiculus position.

    and i got news for you, as a collecter of movies, the violence in dark night is NOTHING compared to most rated R movies.

    now, if you want to make the argument that children should not see it, I agree. if you also want to make the argument that a child who is exposed to this without any type of parental guidance can become desensitized, i will agree also.

    but the suggestion that ANY entertainment can turn a normal person into a murderer is about as stupid of an argument as the earth being flat.

    (and i mean that with all due respect)

    Glander posted Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:12:00 GMT(7/21/2012)

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    yourmomma, I think you might jumping to a conclusion that was not stated. Of course millions of people see movie violence all the time and it does not turn them into murderers. But there are people 'out there' who are influenced by it in a negative way. That's all. Not saying anything can or should be done about it. It is understandable that it should come up in the case of this mass murder.

    All due respect back atcha!

    M JimmyPage posted Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:13:00 GMT(7/22/2012)

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    j dubb posted Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:24:00 GMT(7/22/2012)

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    Growing up, I remember the Batman and Robin TV show from the 1960's, and I assumed that the Dark Knight movies would be along the same lines. Boy, was I wrong!!!

    Really? Really. The casting of Christian Bale...having Nolan direct...all the pre-release info/trailers/marketing...It amazes me how anyone could think that studios are going to spend over $180 million making a Batman movie that in ANY way REMOTELY resembles the absurd 1960s Batman TV show. The 60s Batman (and subsequent influence of the comics for a few years) was a bizarre, juvenile tangent on its treatment of the character to begin with. Originally, Batman carried a gun and occasionally did away with the bad guy. After the 60s nonsense, the 70s saw Batman return to his original darker character where it has pretty much stayed.

    That said, the movie was violent, much more so than Batman Begins, and I thought should have gotten an R rating.

    What happened to the days when a person or family could go to see a movie like Superman, etc

    Batman is an entirely different character than Superman! Where Superman embodies and represents the best humanity can aspire to be, Batman represents the shadows, the darkness, the revenge, the manic drive to rid his city of criminals. ITS WHY HE DRESSES AS A BAT.

    zeb posted Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:01:00 GMT(7/22/2012)

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    what do the makers of such stuff do on their daysoff for relaxation...

    sick bastards!

    Chemical Emotions posted Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:32:00 GMT(7/22/2012)

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    I'm sorry but the Dark Knight, the Batman movie from a few years ago that the OP was talking about, was an AWESOME movie. You really should watch it and form your own opinion. The way they carry out the violence isnt gorey. Kinda like how you said Transformers is. On top of that, the hero Batman, has a no guns no killing policy. That movie is so much more than the action that comprises parts of it. It delves into aspects of human nature, why we do what we do. Complications of right and wrong being viewed in absolutes, justice, honor, love, emotional damage, politics, making choices for the greater good, self sacrifice and of course some cool technology(if you're into that kinda stuff). Dark Knight is a well crafted movie that sets the standard for how a superhero movie can be done in a serious manner.

    YES

    Growing up, I remember the Batman and Robin TV show from the 1960's, and I assumed that the Dark Knight movies would be along the same lines. Boy, was I wrong!!!

    Really? Really. The casting of Christian Bale...having Nolan direct...all the pre-release info/trailers/marketing...It amazes me how anyone could think that studios are going to spend over $180 million making a Batman movie that in ANY way REMOTELY resembles the absurd 1960s Batman TV show. The 60s Batman (and subsequent influence of the comics for a few years) was a bizarre, juvenile tangent on its treatment of the character to begin with. Originally, Batman carried a gun and occasionally did away with the bad guy. After the 60s nonsense, the 70s saw Batman return to his original darker character where it has pretty much stayed.

    That said, the movie was violent, much more so than Batman Begins, and I thought should have gotten an R rating.

    What happened to the days when a person or family could go to see a movie like Superman, etc

    Batman is an entirely different character than Superman! Where Superman embodies and represents the best humanity can aspire to be, Batman represents the shadows, the darkness, the revenge, the manic drive to rid his city of criminals. ITS WHY HE DRESSES AS A BAT.

    Again, yes!

    The OP COMPLETELY misrepresents the movie. I haven't seen The Dark Knight Rises, and it does look a bit violent for my taste- we'll see ( I liked Batman Begins which was pretty tame), but The Dark Knight I've seen several times. It's not that violent or scary. Certainly NOT sadistic. This isn't Andy-fugging-Griffith, sorry. It actually has depth. And yes, violence is one of the many leyers in that movie. We ALL have the capacity for violence and the movie looks at that. If that makes people uncomfortable, maybe they are refusing to face reality-and themselves.If that's ALL a person can takkke away from the movie, perhaps they do not have the insight to recognize such depth.

    I agree that many movies are horribly violent and sadistic, and the ones which include violence toward children are particularly reprehensible, but c'mon!

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