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New World Order - Illuminati vs. WT Society

    F lucky posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:08:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    Before I start, I just want to say that this is not any sort of conspiracy-type thread and I don't believe Russell was a member of the illuminati.

    I just finished reading Dan Brown's Angels&Demons, before which I hadn't even heard of the Illuminati. It struck me as curious that the "New World Order" as described in the book had some similarities with the society's teachings regarding events in Revelation (including the name itself). In particular, I found it interesting that the Illuminati were/are seeking to destroy religion and establish a worldwide government. The organization teaches (at least they did when I left) that government will turn on babylon the great and destroy her and that the witnesses will be the only ones left standing. I was curious if this is a teaching that is unique to the witnesses, or do other religions interpret the events in Revelation the same way? If it's unique to the witnesses, does anyone else find it an interesting parallel with Illuminati teachings?

    M Ianone posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:26:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    the Illuminatti was a small Jewish order in Bavaria back around 1776. There goal was to establish a World Government based out of Jerusalem with the Jewish people as the heads of state.

    It is similar to the WT teaching however not to orthodox Christian teaching.

    Post Millenialists or Amillenialists will tell you that Jesus will come and destroy this world and will set up His Kingdom on a new Heaven and new earth. Of course the preterists take this statement metaphorically thinking that Jesus Christ is ruling spiritually now, which I, as a Post Millenialist, agree with, however I think this earth will be destroyed.

    Jesus said many times that His Kingdom was not of this world:

    Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (KJV)

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    The typical Post Millenialist will tell you that the "1000 year millenial reign began when Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd day to His throne in heaven. So basically it was a spiritual 1000 year reign. I believe we are in the period after the 1000 year reign when satan has been unleashed for a short time.

    Premillenialists are completely off the charts, they think the 1000 year reign is still future and phyiscal and they believe in the Illuminist Jewish reign from a rebuild temple in Jerusalem, which is against Christ, because scripture calls Jerusalem the whore of babylon, Revelation 11:8.

    M truth_about_the_truth posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:28:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    This has been discussed ad nauseum recently. I think it's interesting that this is such a hot topic right now.

    Check out these threads

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/85772/1.ashx

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/86099/1.ashx

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/80965/1.ashx

    M Ianone posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:34:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    truth: you know that the Jewish Sanhedrin (the court that crucified Jesus) was re instated on October 13, 2004 in Tiberias Israel?

    Notice the date, a masonic(Kabbalist) date

    F sf posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:39:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    I think it's interesting that this is such a hot topic right now.

    What's so interesting and may I add, surprising about it continually coming up?

    Respectfully, as I've said, ad nauseum, people who are in the search engines researching anything to do with the Watchtower organization WILL COME UPON THIS TOPIC.

    And as I've said, ad nauseum, this WILL NOT be the last thread on this topic by newcomers to this forum.

    I recall when I first started researching, in depth, ALL THINGS WATCHTOWER, that I too was shocked and surprised by what the search engines were hitting on, and thusly was posting it here. It took many months of sifting through tons of pages and sites to conclude anything for MYSELF. In which, incidently, many things regarding this topic, for me, canNOT be concluded, yet.

    So please people, why make such a big deal about newcomers posting this topic when google has tons of search hits on it? Just pass the thread by if it irritates you so much to see one more thread on this topic.

    sKally

    M Ianone posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:45:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    haha, thats right sf, its all just conspiracy, theories..theories..theories..theories..... Shhhhhh! there is no conspiracy, now go back to sleep.....

    M Ianone posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:51:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    truth about the truth: all that is needed is 1 sole angle. CT Russell a jewish mason is the angle that is needed. Scoffers are in denial and dont want to disturb their cognitive dissonant state of mind which is what kept them in chains to the watchtower society in the first place.

    Those who have ears to hear with and eyes to see with will know, and that makes our seeking for the truth worthwhile, even just one. This has everything to do with Jesus Christ and the satanic conspiracy which seeks to exterminate His saints and His name and memory.

    Kudos to you my brother, keep up the good work

    F lucky posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:59:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    sorry - I didn't realize that this topic had been already brought up so frequently. I had done a search for "Illuminati" before I posted, but I had trouble with the search engine. Thanks for the links to the other threads.

    Having been raised a witness, Dan Brown's books were real eye openers for me - I guess I never had much understanding at all of Church history and I've become intrigued by the Knights Templar, Masons and Illuminati. When I started doing some web research and came across the supposed Witness ties to Masonry, my curiousity was definitely piqued. Although at this point I've read enough to be fairly convinced that Russell wasn't a Mason, it's still definitely an interesting topic and a whole new world to me. At a minimum, it's made me realize that I certainly don't know the whole story about how Christendom came to be (and I was so convinced I did with all my witness "education"!)

    M Valis posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:00:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    VS

    GET READY TO RUUUUUMBLE!!!!!

    M Heatmiser posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:06:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    Lucky, if you go to the threads TATT linked you will find alot of info in them. I have been restricting myself for discussion in the last link that he put up.

    M Ianone posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:14:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    If todays Evangelical Zionist Apostate Christian leaders can cover up that they are masons (Evangelical Billy Graham 33rd degree mason according to former mason and now christian, Jim Shaw, who wrote a book about it. "the deadly deception",, TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) which is packed with masons, speculated, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Schuler, Hagin, Hagee, Van Impe, Perry Stone, im sure that CT Russell could have covered up his jewish templarism.

    F sf posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:56:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    And by the way, I too read Angels and Demons and was in heaven doing so.

    Ion, I'm not sure how to take your reply to me.

    I certainly am one with an open mind when it comes to the connection the WTBTS has with other 'secret societies', past and present. I've done exhaustive reading and footwork on this topic. {perhaps you should go look through the history of my postings and threads on this forum}

    As I stated in above post, I have yet to conclude anything on a great many issues therein.

    Take care, sKally

    M mtbatoon posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:07:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    I?ve read books on the Illuminati and masons skull and bones, and Templars the in the early 90?s when it was all the rage, I?ve seen stone work in cathedrals and pictures and all sorts of symbols here and there that report to exposing acquaintance with this sect or that. The one thing that I?ve learnt about your secret societies though, the one fact that make your basic secret society a secret society worth note, well is secret ain?t it. Stands to reason, you get some bloke writing a book about it, it ain?t that secret no more. What you want to look out for is them secret societies that you don?t know about, thems is the clever buggers.

    M truth_about_the_truth posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:24:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    lucky,

    Dan Brown's books got me into this kinda thing as well. Even though the stories themselves are fiction, the fascinating historical background regarding the illuminati, prieur de scion and symbolism lit a fire and kick started my research/journey into the world of secret societies and their affect on the history of the world and how they affect us at the present time. I had no idea of these things as well.

    During the course of my research, many, many ,many things clicked in my head and made sooo much sense. The information is overwhelming and if you decide to keep digging away you will see the pieces of the puzzle coming together. You will see the big picture. I'll tell you one thing, it makes a helluva lot more sense than the stuff we've been taught thoughout the yrs as a JW. Ironically though, I do believe that my previous JW beliefs actually helped me grasp these concepts much easier. hehe I guess after all of the mental gymnastics that we had to do with trying to grasp the meaning of Isaiah, Daniel and Revelation through the publications, this is a piece of cake.

    The beauty of this is there is no absolute DOCTRINE regarding what is true and what is false with all the info out there. I'm sure you will find yourself agreeing with some things and disagreeing with some of the other things. But one thing is for sure, there is something HUGE going on!

    Keep digging and happy trails, lucky! You won't be disappointed at what you discover!

    F lucky posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:47:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    thanks, everyone.

    Noumenon posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:21:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    of course e-watchman.com has a lot to say about this....the author reckoning that some illuminati globalist have infiltrated the WTBS leadership and that the Awake magazine has for years been serving the purpose of subtly spreading new world order/one world government pro UN propaganda.

    M mtbatoon posted Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:32:00 GMT(3/8/2005)

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    I recon in a fare fight Illuminati vs. WT Society, the Illuminait would have the WTowerers easy. They?d use cunning stealth and confuse the WTowerers buy spinning and twirling, twirling and spinning in their long multi coloured robes. Mind you some of the larger print publications in a leather effect hard binding can deliver a nasty blow, especialy if you catch someone with a corner, so they?d want to watch out for that.

    F kazar posted Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:22:00 GMT(3/9/2005)

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    Hey! Give Newbie Lucky a break. She's new to all this truth.

    mama posted Wed, 09 Mar 2005 04:04:00 GMT(3/9/2005)

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    my head hurtsi have heard of the masons before, the only reference i ever heard of the illumminati was in tomb raider lol. i will have to look into all this, hmm, new to me!

    M Ianone posted Wed, 09 Mar 2005 06:27:00 GMT(3/9/2005)

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    The book is not in print anymore, but if you can get a bootleg version or borrow one get "The Watchtower and the Masons" by Fritz Springmeier

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