You can't play lotto, but you can accept a lottery ticket.

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    JH posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:52:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    Can someone explain to me why a witness can't go and buy a lottery ticket for himself, but can keep a ticket they find on the ground or keep a ticket they receive as a gift from a worldly person.

    That's the explaination the witnesses gave me when I joined many years ago.

    If it's a sin to play lotto, why can they accept a ticket as a gift or keep one they could find?

    Gill posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:58:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    Because they're daft as brushes and not much of their reasoning makes much sense any way. Heaven forbid that you might be seen buying a lottery ticket! It would show that you were materialistic and greedy. It would show that you had no faith in the Kingdom being the only hope for the future and so no faith in God. But if you found one and you won. Well.... you'd better not tell anyone or they'd think you'd bought it. The elders would kick your ass for you....probably out of jealousy. You'd be marked...disfellowshiped and generally life would not be worth living.

    However, if you have a lot of money and you gamble on the stock market.... even if you happen to be the WTBTS...then that's just fine!!

    jeanniebeanz posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:59:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    I had it explained that if the ticket was found or a gift, that any winnings would be viewed as a gift not as gambling. If you <snicker> partake in the actual purchase of the ticket, then it is a sin of greed, wanting something for nothing, and gambling.

    They have always strained out the gnat and swallowed the camel...

    Jean

    M frozen one posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:53:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    There are all sorts of rules and rationalizations like this. There was a carpenter in the last congregation I attended who was reproved for working on a church parsonage. He had been approached by a member of the church board who also happened to be his banker about making a bid on window replacement. He didn't really want to get involved, but decided that he better because he didn't want to disrespect the banker. He turned in a bid but jacked the prices up so high he figured he didn't stand a chance of getting the job. Well, he did get the job (was Jehovah providing or testing this follower?) and fullfilled the contract. Of course people saw him working on the parsonage (small town) and questions were asked and the elders got involved and he got spanked. Several months later the same parsonage was struck by lightning and needed to be rewired. The local JWs were surprised to see that the electrician doing the work was an elder in the congregation. The electrician elder expained that it was ok for him to do the work as the work was being paid for by the church's insurance company while it was wrong for the carpenter to do work there as he was paid by the church directly. The Pharisee's would have been proud of this explanation.

    JH posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:56:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    Amazing story frozen one.

    F Incense_and_Peppermints posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:06:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    well if the Lotto represents gambling and chance, why should they permit someone to reap the benefits of having one with winning numbers, even if the person didn't actually purchase it? a lottery ticket is a concrete thing representing a big pile of money somewhere, created by millions of people gambling...

    christmas trees represent christmas, jack o' lanterns represent halloween, and chocolate bunnies represent easter, and if someone put those things in your house you couldn't enjoy them and get away with it.

    that's just like saying "you can't actually go out and solicit a blowjob, but if a hooker comes to your house and offers one, we'll just sorta look the other way..."

    JH posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:14:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    I agree 100% with you Incense_and_peppermints.

    F Incense_and_Peppermints posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:22:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    * nods

    F orangefatcat posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:38:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    I suppose if a witness won a load of money and donated some of it to the organization they wouldn't think twice about taking it.

    And talk about double standards I hope that carpenter brother let that elder electrician know a thing or two. I wouldn't take anything like that laying down. I would be barking and barking all the way to the Bethel.

    Then what do you expect JW are not to have anything to do with the image of the wild beast and yet its okay for them

    WTBTS to be a part of the UN for 10 years. Go figure.. A bunch of hypocrites....

    Orangefatcat.

    F Incense_and_Peppermints posted Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:40:00 GMT(1/22/2005)

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    so twue...

    A bunch of hypocrites....

    p.s. don't you mean "meowing" and "meowing"?

    M Outaservice posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:15:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    6-10-19-27-44-45

    JH posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:28:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    Looks like 6/49

    F morty posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:37:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    My numbers were bought hot off the press tonight.....

    I can only dream and hope to win....But if I ever did, I would be the first to ask if I could do one of the Lotto 6/49 commercials as a big winner...

    Man, would I love to see some heads spin over that one...

    Morty of the soon to be rich class....

    F Mary posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:26:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    My numbers were bought hot off the press tonight..... I can only dream and hope to win....But if I ever did, I would be the first to ask if I could do one of the Lotto 6/49 commercials as a big winner

    No chance of you winning tonight...............Cause I'M winning tonight!!!

    My question on buying lottery tickets is this: Why is it okay for Brother Janitor (who screwed his half-brother out of his inheritance by getting his mother to change her Will when she was dying), to put $100,000 into the Stock Market's dot-com companies in the late '90s, with the desire to see the price go up, up and away, only to lose virutally all of it in 2001 when everything crashed? Uh, is this not a form of GREED???? Seeing as he was forced to sell his house and car in order to survive, wouldn't you say he was being very materialistic and stupid for buying something that he couldn't really afford?? By the way, he's an elder.

    Apparently, there's nothing wrong with losing a hundred grand in the stock market, but if I go and spend $1.00 on a lottery ticket, then I'm a greedy materialistic bitch who's one short step away from worshipping Satan........or whoever the "God of Good Luck" is supposed to be.

    Makes perfect sense eh?

    jeanniebeanz posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:11:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    Apparently, there's nothing wrong with losing a hundred grand in the stock market, but if I go and spend $1.00 on a lottery ticket, then I'm a greedy materialistic bitch who's one short step away from worshipping Satan........or whoever the "God of Good Luck" is supposed to be.

    Mary,

    You are too funny. I lost tonight. How'd everyone else do?

    Jean

    F Mary posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:22:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    Aw, I didn't win a damn thing!!!

    JH posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:28:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    Morty of the soon to be rich class....

    There were no 6/49 winners last night.

    Back to the salt mines

    M gumby posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:36:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    Can someone explain to me why a witness can't go and buy a lottery ticket for himself, but can keep a ticket they find on the ground or keep a ticket they receive as a gift from a worldly person.

    Why do witnesses go to the state fair or local carnival.....and pay $1 to see if they can knock down 3 bottle so they can maybe win a big stuffed teddy bear? They pay money for the CHANCE they might win. Most lose as do those who play the slot machines or buy a lottery ticket.....no difference.

    You could get disfellowshipped for losing 20 bucks in a casino or buying lotto tickets, yet throw darts at the carnival with your elder buddy tryin to win a big teddy bear with a big beer in your hand, and no problem. Go figure.

    Gumby

    F seeitallclearlynow posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:42:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    There are some really good points here on the subject of the Witness "stand" on gambling and greed! I could never quite grasp the whole concept. In fact apparently I went decades not realizing we were not allowed to even have an unpaid raffle ticket, like at a work function. The whole Witness argument is full of holes and inconsistent.

    And Mary!

    Apparently, there's nothing wrong with losing a hundred grand in the stock market, but if I go and spend $1.00 on a lottery ticket, then I'm a greedy materialistic bitch who's one short step away from worshipping Satan........or whoever the "God of Good Luck" is supposed to be.

    Such a good point, and delivered in your usual hilarious manner!

    JH posted Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:49:00 GMT(1/23/2005)

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    I think that they don't want us to play lotto, so that we have enough money left to buy Watchtower books, magazines, suits, and have enought money to put gas in the car to go out in the service.

    Sounds like Watchtower greed.

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