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    metatron posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:06:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    I hold in my hand a typical Awake magazine (Jan. 8, 2005) - entitled "Can Planet Earth Be

    Saved?". Of course, it trots out the usual formula of half truths that has brought the Watchtower

    Society so much success in prophesying imminent doom - across 120 years!

    Never mind the success of antipollution programs, never mind the huge increase in forestation

    in the US brought on by industrialization ( which returned huge farming areas to nature),

    never mind that Canada may have 400 years worth of oil sands and thereby what could be

    the second largest reserves in the world, .... I could go on and on .. but wait! the Awake

    is building to a climax!!!!!

    Can Earth Be Saved? Well, the article concludes:

    "Under God's direction, the earth will also be cleansed of pollution and mankind will learn

    how to live in total harmony with the environment. How can we be sure of that?

    The Bible says that the earth "will not be made to totter to time indefinite or forever"

    (Psalm 104:5)." (pg. 11)

    This is in a realm beyond dumb, isn't it? The "guarantee" says that the earth might exist

    for an indefinite period of time - or it might last forever. The so-called "guarantee" in the

    New World Translation doesn't exist because they have stuck "time indefinite" into every

    text that speaks about the earth's ultimate fate! THERE IS NO GUARANTEE!

    And while we're talking about DUMB, let's consider the brief article on page 29

    called "Church Doors Closing". While you are considering this negative report about

    some Catholic churches in the US, you might want to know that Jehovah's Witnesses

    in Japan shut down 639 congregations there between 1999 and 2004. ( see yearbooks)

    Does that rafter in your eye ever feel sore, Brother Awake Editor?

    metatron

    M czarofmischief posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:18:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    I know - they firstly claim that mankind is ruining the earth; and then they also absolve the complacent dubs of doing anything to stop it by shucking all responsibility onto God.

    I mean, I believe in God, but I also believe in people. I don't buy into the doom and gloom claims of extremist eco-groups; but I at least can respect the desire for action. They believe, and act in accordance with those beliefs. But the dubs just wave theri hands, say its hopeless, and promptly go back to reading their mass-produced four color magazines on glossy paper pulled from the finest American trees.

    Morons. If they really believe that things are as terrible as they say, then why don't they do something about it? Why do they look evil in the face and say, oh goody, it means god is coming.

    CZAR

    M Tigerman posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:38:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    The Awake . . .'Can Planet Earth Be Saved?'

    Be saved from whom, the extraordinarily negative inducing mindset of a group of men who's driving force in life is to plant seeds of doubt so they may harvest the fruit brought forth from those very seeds?

    M Poztate posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:49:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    I hold in my hand a typical Awake magazine (Jan. 8, 2005) - entitled "Can Planet Earth Be

    Saved?". Of course, it trots out the usual formula of half truths that has brought the Watchtower

    What I find really annoying is the fact that they ALWAYS ask everything as a question.

    If they are really god's org they would state that we believe the planet earth will be saved.

    On the other hand the 6 billion people now on the face of the earth will perish since they didn't sign up.

    What a bunch of crap...

    M Tigerman posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:59:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    I mean just look at that title, ' Can Plane Earth Be Saved?' It immediately produces in the recipient a sense of ,"Gee, I don't know ! Can it ? Maybe if I look inside this magazine it will tell me HOW the planet will be saved? And , of course, although I'm not very well educated, I DO have a good heart and I so want this person in front of me to know I care ( and I won't seem too dumb to them ). Sure, give it to me."

    The beginning of the end.

    M Quotes posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 04:32:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    The "Bad Watchtower Science" is an trend of longstanding.

    I just received a copy of the "Golden Age" magazine (i.e. early Awake!) from August 17, 1932.

    Guess what the lead article, "GRAVITATION AND ELECTRIC ENERGY" is about????


    Give up????

    Let me tell you: It says that the planets are held in orbit by ELECTRICAL ENERGY, *NOT* gravity. That's right, you heard if from Watchtower publishing first: GRAVITY IS WRONG!!!!

    Oh, it also says that "electrons" from the sun striking the earth cause it's rotation.... no, I am NOT kidding.

    I will be scanning and adding this to my Watchtower Quotes site in the near future -- hopefully before Har-Mageddon! ;)

    Sorry, didn't want to hijack the thread, I just thought that the Watchtower's analysis of science is really, really bad, and has been for a long time!

    ~Quotes, of the "Not even Maxwell's Equations could prove this electric charge, not gravity" class

    F Panda posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:00:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    Ya' know minimus ALWAYs asks questions

    M MungoBaobab posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:04:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    In the December 22, 2004 Awake they found some poor marine biologist who agreed to be interviewed about seahorses a Dr.Keith Martin-Smith, presumably of Australia. Decent enough fluff article until the last paragraph. After a doom and gloom prediction from someone described only as a "researcher," they quote Dr. Martin-Smith saying "There is definately goodwill out there among people. Our job is to make more people care about the earth's living creatures. When that happens, change will occur. Perhaps if we can save the sea horses, we can also save the seas." Then Awake condescendingly adds, "Pehaps. Happily, though, there is a more reliable source of hope.-Revelation 14:7" So some unwitting scientists actually takes the time to do an interview with "Awake! Writer in Australia," probably for free, and what attitude does the writer take with him? "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just tell us about sea horses, and we'll just discredit anything you say that we don't agree with."

    M Maverick posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:27:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    The WTS is very good at presuppositions. "Can Planet Earth be Saved?", presupposes that the Earth is not in a safe state, that it is understood that the Earth is well on its way to ruin. They do this a lot! One needs to question their very questions and assumptions to qualify whether those questions are even worth answering (valid). Mav

    F Sunnygal41 posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:48:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    And while we're talking about DUMB, let's consider the brief article on page 29

    called "Church Doors Closing". While you are considering this negative report about

    some Catholic churches in the US, you might want to know that Jehovah's Witnesses

    in Japan shut down 639 congregations there between 1999 and 2004. ( see yearbooks)

    Does that rafter in your eye ever feel sore, Brother Awake Editor?

    M AK - Jeff posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:59:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    What I find really annoying is the fact that they ALWAYS ask everything as a question.

    Poztate - you are right about that. I don't know the official form of argumentation - but the posing of leading questions is an expert way to direct those who you want to go in only one line of thought. They have to do that or dubs might start drawing intelligent conclusions - we wouldn't want any one guilty 'freethink' would we?

    Just My Opinion

    Jeff

    M drwtsn32 posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:01:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    Dumb? You be the judge!

    http://watchtower.org/library/g/2004/1/8a/article_01.htm

    VM44 posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:02:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    Hi Quotes,

    the lead article, "GRAVITATION AND ELECTRIC ENERGY"

    Could I get a scan of the complete article from you? This is something in which I am particularly interested, and would like to comment on in detail.

    Wasn't the year 1932 when Einstein published a Unified Field Theory, relating electricity and gravitation? That might be what "inspired" the Golden Age to publish an article on this topic, even though they didn't know anything at all about the subject!

    --VM44

    M drwtsn32 posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:02:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    http://watchtower.org/library/g/2004/2/22a/article_01.htm

    M funkyderek posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:10:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    MungoBaoBab:

    Decent enough fluff article until the last paragraph.

    That accurately describes most articles in Awake! When I was younger, I used to read the interesting articles on astronomy or exotic animals or whatever, and just skip the last mandatory "Jehovah" paragraph.

    M eyeslice posted Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:17:00 GMT(12/23/2004)

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    I have always been able to read pretty quickly so may be it is not much but I could always speed read a whole Awake in about 10 minutes. All prepared for magizine work then!

    Eyeslice

    F Dawn posted Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:03:00 GMT(12/24/2004)

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    Hey Dr. - thanks for posting those articles. It has been so many years since I read one - it was really a shock to me just how "dumbed down" those articles really are. I would guess it was written for a 6th to 7th grade reading level. No wonder I was SO BORED and had to force myself to study. At the time I blamed myself (bad attitude, bad heart condition, etc) - now I realize that it was just me being bored with reading nonsense.

    william wallace posted Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:46:00 GMT(12/24/2004)

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    Hi Metatron,

    I'm an ex JW and left when I unravelled much of the WTBTS false doctrines. So, please understand that I'm no apologist for the Society. However, it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that you are of the opinion that the Society have got EVERYTHING wrong including their belief that God will ensure that the earth remains forever. It's like saying : one thing wrong, everything wrong. If someone applies that belief in all matters it means they end up disbelieving everything.

    Much of what the Society says has proven to be wrong. But some of what they say also happens to be correct. And doesn't the Bible, in several places, say that the Earth will remain forever? Don't you think it's more advantageous to sift the truth from the errors rather than simply having a blanket belief that because they have some things wrong they have everything wrong? It's a bit like eating fish. You eat the flesh and spit out the bones.

    metatron posted Sat, 25 Dec 2004 03:01:00 GMT(12/25/2004)

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    The Awake magazine has some value for poor third world people - who are utterly desperate.

    As for the earth, there appears to be NO text in the New World Translation that doesn't

    have "time indefinite" stuck in it. If one of you Watchtower apologists think otherwise,

    stand and deliver!

    metatron

    OUTLAW posted Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:29:00 GMT(12/25/2004)

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    I wonder how many tree`s are cut down on a yearly basis to print WB&TS crap.If they want to save the earth,they should quit killing mass amounts of trees to print crap...OUTLAW

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