Rutherfords burial site...

I remember/read somewhere that he was buried at Staten Island, New York. Can anyone confirm that?

There is a grave on Staten Island marked as Rutherfords.

His casket was delivered to the gates othe cemetry by the undertaker. From there it was carried by 6 men from the GB to the grave. No one else was there so what happened between the gate and the burial we don't know ...

There is/was what looked like a grave only a few feet from the crypt at Beth Sarim which had lain under a pile of rubbish which was finally removed.

Some had hoped to have enough dollars to purchase Beth Sarim when old Dr Chan died so we could have the rights to dig up that site

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

Anyone got any pics of the Staten Island site?

Randy may have some ....

I ran out of film the day I went there and didn't have a spare with me .... Murphy's law .....

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

: Some had hoped to have enough dollars to purchase Beth Sarim when old Dr Chan died so we could have the rights to dig up that site

Fat chance today, Jan! That mansion is worth at least 3.5 million dollars and I can prove it! Ed Gruss has got me motivated and on a mission about that place. Heck, it's nearly in my own back yard right now! I cruised by there just a week ago and noticed little kiddie trycycles on the patio. Da Judge would have never liked that!
I will someday soon get the nerve to approach the attorney who owns it now and get a grand tour. I can do this. I'll pretend that I'm not a real Farkel or something.

A friend of mine who I introduced to Professor Gruss and who just met him recently and spent three hours with him has my request to get the EXACT address of Beth Shan. I tried to find it based upon the info. in Gruss's book, but failed. Ed's on vacation right now, but patience will yield results. I will have much to say on the topics of Beth Sarim and Beth Shan when I'm finished with my little fact-finding mission.

Farkel

Farkel,

I remember reading in another thread today that Beth Shan was located right next-door to Beth Sarim. Or is that incorrect?

P.S. Glad you didn't leave us for good!

Hi Farkel,

Using Yahoo Maps, I got the following address with zip code for Beth Sarim:

4440 Braeburn, San Diego, CA 92116-2126

I still think it would be a good idea to post on the internet the complete floor plans
for Beth-Sarim. Then we could see if it was REALLY designed for over a dozen
people to live in.

--VM44

Prisca .... it is ALMOST next door .... on the other side of the canyon

You can almost see where it is from Sarim's back yard

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

Oops!

Farkel wanted the exact address for Beth Shan! Not Beth Sarim!

The exact address where Beth Shan used to be is probably in the book
by Gruss and Chretien.

If I recall correctly, Beth Shan was in Mission Valley, while Beth Sarim is
located on a hilltop, or plateau, in the Kensington area of San Diego. The
house does overlook Mission Valley, so one might have been able to
see Beth Shan from Beth Sarim.

--VM44

Farkel:

I know Farkel! That's why we all couldn't get the money together to buy it. Len Chretien was given first right to purchase it, but just coudln't afford it. He still hadn't recovered enough financially after the Witneses of Jehovah movie and being ripped off on that.

We all communicated about that time but between us all we just couldn't make it ...... We are in the wrong business, all of us. We should have made up our own cult and made some money and then we would have had enough $$$$$$

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

JanG,

Len Chretien was ripped off? What happened?
The movie has been around for quite some time, and still is available for
purchase. I thought he would have at least broke even by now.

--VM44

Prisca,

: I remember reading in another thread today that Beth Shan was located right next-door to Beth Sarim. Or is that incorrect?

That is incorrect. In fact, if you saw the neighborhood, 4440 Braeburn is a gigantic mansion compared to the neighboring homes on that cul-de-sac and all the surrounding streets in the Kensington neighborhood of San Diego.

I very recently crawled behind Beth Sarim and tried to see Beth Shan over the huge canyon that separates them. (Jan G was right: it IS across the canyon and about 1/2 mile away to the East.)

So much development has happened in San Diego in recent years that If I COULD have seen Beth Shan I was too clueless to recognize it. That is why I need an exact address. I'm certain that it is in Alvarado Estates, but that is now a closed (and guarded) gated community. I recently went there and showed a picture (a colorized 1945 photo) of Beth Shan to the guard and she told me that no such house was in that community. The photo was 56 years old. No wonder she didn't recognize the home. I still think it is in that neighborhood.

I will continue to plod on....I WILL find Beth Shan. Trust me! It's not as easy these days as when JanG and Ed Gruss made that trek, but I will find it and post pictures! I promise!

Farkel

As I said, one of the investors ripped all the others off actually, but since Lan had been the one who had got them into it, he was the one who lost out because he insisted in making sure they all got their money back at least.

Don't forget that it is the film makers who get the best deal.

What stunk is that the investor and the film maker were supposedly Christian brethren of Len and Marj ......

JanG
CAIC Website: http://caic.org.au/zjws.htm
Personal Webpage: http://uq.net.au/~zzjgroen/

Farkel,

I don't think Beth-Shan exists anymore. Perhaps the bomb shelter under
the "goat's barn" might still exist.

Details when Beth-Shan was demolished might be in the book,
"Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Monuments to False Prophecy"

A good online article is at:
http://www.premier1.net/~raines/bethshan.html

--VM44

am curious about the name of Beth Shan,
would any of russels interests in pyramids
have had anything to do with the naming of it?
http://www.varchive.org/ce/bethshan.htm

nelly

Do you guys need a pitch fork and a shovel to find his body? And when you guys get done looking for his body start searching for Moses body.

VM44,

: Details when Beth-Shan was demolished might be in the book,
"Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Monuments to False Prophecy"

I have the book and I've spoken with Ed Gruss the author. He last visited the site in 1997, I believe. He made no mention that it was demolished either in our phone conversations or in his book. When he gets back from vacation, I will get the exact address from him.

Nelly136,

Beth Shan means "House of Security" in Hebrew. This is a fitting name for a home with two bomb shelters, don't you think?

Farkel

Farkel,

I too was under the impression from something I read that Beth Shan was torn down. Perhaps, I misread it, and it was only the outbuildings that were torn down. Also, I got the impression the two properties connected at least in the front of the property and the mansions themselves were sat back a good distance from the road and were seperated by a canyon.

There has GOT to be tunnels then!

< http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=beth-shan+illuminati&hc=0&hs=0

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