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Need Assistance re Judge R
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Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 17:16:00 GMT
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Just received a telephone call from a non-JW close friend who does not post on the board. For some time he has been writing a very detailed biography of Judge Rutherford that will be meticulously documented. He's spent many weeks visiting the Judge's roots in Missouri and elsewhere, with very informative results. I've been impressed by his thoroughness.Rather than simply repeat old stories, he wishes to include factual information on Rutherford's last days--literally. Has info, just needs confirmation.When I first started posting, I didn't associate screen names and material written. At least one person had personal if not direct knowledge, including ties with JFR's "nutritionist" and a housekeeper. Could you post me privately? Or if someone can find the thread--I cannot--could you send me or paste relevant info?I'll be writing another person here who I am sure has solid information.Thanks!Maximus
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:06:00 GMT
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Apologies for bumping this up.
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:12:00 GMT
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Hi Maximus,Could you ask your friend if his research about Rutherford has turned up the name of who donated
the funds for Beth Sarim?--VM44 |
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:10:00 GMT
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Dr. Edmond C. Gruss wrote a well documented book entitled
"Jehovah's Witnesses--Their Monuments to False Prophecy"Published 1997 by Witness, Inc., Box 597, Clayton CA 94517Has about 100 pages of pertinent deed photocopies, including the proposed Beth-Shan property. Excellent source material. Solid source material on the Judge's alcoholism, particularly post-1925 disappointment and subsequent drunken behavior.Just a brief comment: Bonnie and Bill Heath ("secretaries") purchased what was to become Beth-Sarim. Grant deed and quit claim deeds signed in the presence of Hayden C. Covington. No one believed it was their money.On 15 February 1939 the Heaths ("of 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn") gave a grant deed to Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society for property to be added to that deeded from Robert Martin (factory overseer at Brooklyn) to Rutherford for life, and for "The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society"--ampersand and two words ALWAYS referring to the Pennsylvania corporation."TO HAVE AND TO HOLD IN TRUST however for the following purposes to-wit:"For the use and benefit of J. F. Rutherford, the President of said Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society for and during the period of his life on earth and to be under his control and management during that period,"and for ever for Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Gideon, Barak, Joseph or any and all of them who are particuly [sic] named and identified at the eleventh chapter of Hebrew in the bible,which is the word of God. [sic] ""... God, according to His promise, will at a very early date resurrect said men as perfect human creatures and that the Lord will make them the visible princes or rulers in the earth ... these men will soon be back on earth."An astonishing document, really, along with the other deeds and stuff. Solid book.Beth-Sarim truly was/is a monument to false prophecy.I can personally confirm some items that have been published. Fred Franz told me personally, "The old boy was actually buried in the back yard slope below [possibly he said "near"] the house." Was that another reason he and Knorr did not attend the "burial"? It was his task to lay out the ancient worthies theology of Beth-Sarim, which he dutifully did.That's bringing back memories. Shortly after "Faith on the March," I talked to the aging A. H. MacMillan about Beth-Sarim, and I spoke of my own elevated pulse rate as a boy when shown what I thought to be an enormous door: "David will probably live in that room!" He flat-out stated that the whole idea was to "get the unpredictable Rutherford out of Brooklyn." His reference was to an irrational drunk whom he was obliged to respect as "the Lord's anointed." Mac made no bones about his disdain for the Judge's behavior. Wonder how Dr. Chang feels about that? And I wonder about how the ancient worthy princes would have decided the pecking order for bathroom privileges.Farkel? Where are you when I need you.MaximusSeriously, if you have some specific question I've missed, VM, let me know. |
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:27:00 GMT
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Apologies ...
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:44:00 GMT
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Maximus,Here's one I remember reading about this (sorry, don't know anything about it myself):. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=2417&site=3-T.
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:55:00 GMT
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Thanks, T. Was aware of this one. It would have been late May or early June.Please let me tell you how much I appreciated a visit to your site several weeks ago. Most insightful ...Maximus
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:34:00 GMT
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Post 182 of 1054 Since 3/27/2001 |
Mac made no bones about his disdain for the Judge's behavior.
wow, i never picked up on mac's attitude in his book. id love to hear more about him. i really liked his account of things.mox |
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 22:00:00 GMT
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No way you could have picked up on it. Of course he could not reveal his true feelings in the book.Mac was a very happy, amiable, good-natured man with a charismatic personality that lasted till his death. Marvelous story-teller. Neither did Art Worsley in the Watchtower article on his life. He despised Knorr, but that would certainly not be in print.Maximus
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Wed, 04 Jul 2001 22:45:00 GMT
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Thanks for the private posts,
and especially to waiting, who nailed it for me.Max |
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:24:00 GMT
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Post 1918 of 7844 Since 12/2/2000 |
Maximus,You stated that William and Bonnie Heath bought the land that was to become Beth Sarim. Actually, they bought the land next to Seth Sarim, in 1939, and built Beth Shan on the adjoining property. The deed had William Boyd's name on it and he was holding the property in trust for the "ancient worthies" mentioned in Hebrews Chapter 11. The deed to Beth Sarim had Rutherford's name on it with the same trust arrangements. (signed in 1929)William Heath worked for Coca Cola in Atlanta before going to Bethel. My mother referred to the Heath's as Coca Cola heirs, and so it may have been his money that paid for the mansion. Beth Sarim was built in 1929. William Heath couldn't have been involved. He didn't become a Witness until 1932 and didn't meet Rutherford until 1934. William became Rutherford's private secretary in the summer of 1937. He spent the first two month's on the job on a two month speaking tour with Rutherford. It was on this tour that he met Bonnie. They were married the following January, one week after William's divorce from his previous wife. From then on, the Heath's were always with Rutherford on all trips until Rutherford's death.The only other person that I can think of that has posted about these early years, was DannyBear. As I recall his parents worked on the WT farm on Staten Island, where Rutherford spent his weekends writing his books.
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Re: Need Assistance re Judge R
posted Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:50:00 GMT
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You're correct, my language was not clear, referring to the total Braeburn property as Beth-Sarim. I copied photocopies of quit claim and deeds pertaining to the second purchase, and just referred to the factory servant's name on the initial. See my other post today in which I too comment about the "ancient worthies."WH (Heath rather than Boyd; that was her maiden name) was a family friend and did little to counter the Coca-Cola wealth stories, but was clear in private that the depression-era huge sums of money was not his. Covington was also a family friend as well, and I had many conversations with him in his post-Bethel years--at his office at 50 Rockefeller Plaza. He flat-out stated monies were made available through the Society. I haven't looked at Gruss' book for details, but he may have them.The situation reminds me of COHI, the group that purchased property in behalf of the Society in Brooklyn and elsewhere.Have connected with DB, and curiously enough I had written you a couple of e-mails on something completely different. There was an earlier post from an RR.Maximus
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