Rutherford was dismissed by Russell in 1915

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    VM44 posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:00:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    RR wrote

    He gave Rutherford 1500.00 and the Judge went to Los Angelos where he set up a practice. Russell knew he was trouble.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74973/1.ashx

    RR also posted

    This is documented in the literature that was distributed between 1917-1919. And many of the ones who were around that time testify to it. And if I'm not mistaken, it's mentioned in the United Stated VS IBSA trial trsnacripts,

    Does anyone have any more information or references concerning this? It is important to bring this information out of obscurity!

    This also is consistent with the reason Beth Sarim was constructed, to get Rutherford AWAY from Bethel Brooklyn, because he was interferring too much in the operations!

    Apparently, after being around Rutherford for awhile, people would develope a desire that he would just "GO AWAY!"

    --VM44

    M badboy posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:08:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    This is a new one to me.

    SwordOfJah posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:45:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will? I smell bulls**t here...

    M Yizuman posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:08:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    Never heard of it. All I know is when Russell died in October 31st, 1916, Judge Rutherford, who became the next President, wrestled power from opposing board members, deleted all democratically-elected elders. Membership plunged until he compelled those who remained to recruit extensively from door-to-door. His death occurred January 8, 1942 in San Diego.

    Guess where he died? That's right, Beth Sarem.

    Rutherford used the 1925 false prophecy to the ressurrection of the "men of old", such as Abraham, David, etc. as an excuse to purchase the land and built the house and he even deeded the house to them. After Rutherford died, the WTS quietly sold the house because it was an embarrassing reminder of their false prophecy. The house still stands today.

    Yiz

    Farkel posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:14:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    JahSword,

    : If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will? I smell bulls**t here...

    Russell did NOT name Rutherford to take charge in his will. As Yizu pointed out, Rutherford wrested control by bullying and making the claim that Russell's will was not really a "will" at all and that the directors Russell named were not "legally" named. If Rutherford truly believed Russell was the one and only mouthpiece for Jehovah God himself, then why did he not follow the Last Will And Testament of that very same mouthpiece?

    Hint? The Jehovah's Witness religion is not from God. Isn't now. Never was.

    Farkel

    Double Edge posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:14:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will?

    Well SOJ, if it isn't true, why are there still Bible Students around practicing the same religion that Charles Russell introduced 30 years prior to his death? Who changed? Certainly not the Bible Students.

    M RR posted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:07:00 GMT(7/15/2004)

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    If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will? I smell bulls**t here...

    SOJ, if you look closely at the will, Rutherford name was added. Russell leaves the WWatchtower into the hands of a seven man board of directors, to which Rutherford was not listed. He then goes on to list a five man editorial board. However, thereare six names listed. Guess whose name is on the list? Rutherford. With the help of MacMillan and VanAmburgh, Rutherford's cohorts, he managed to wrestle the Society away from those whom Russell entrusted. Have you ever read the "presidency papers" These were papers written between 1917-1918, interesting reading. In fact, the Story the Society tells today, complete contradicts what was said in 1917. At least the Bible Stuents have been consistent. Sticking to their version. While the Society has altered their time and time again with each new history they write. These papers can be viewed online at the BIble Students Online website: Bible Student History RR

    M Yizuman posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:48:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    RR, thanks for the link, that's a very cool read to see.

    Yiz

    M HappyDad posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:04:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    Seems to me that the old light shines brighter than all the new light that comes out of Brooklyn.........or is it Patterson now?

    Every time I turn around there is something new to me that makes me all the happier that I am no longer a part of the borg.

    I thank you guys who have more intellect and smarts than I do for the research that you do. alt Why oh why can't the rest of the dubs see the "truth"? All they have is the "troof". ........Something smells in Brooklyn..........or is it Patterson?

    HappyDad


    M avishai posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:11:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will? I smell bulls**t here...

    Then wash your upper lip, SOJ!!!!!!

    M William Penwell posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:28:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    According to the Bible Students they said:

    Pastor Russell?s will had designated a five-member Editorial Committee: Wm. E. Page, Wm. E. VanAmburgh, H. Clay Rockwell, E. W. Brenneisen, F. H. Robison. Then, ?The names of the five whom I suggest as possibly amongst the most suitable from which to fill vacancies in the Editorial Committee are as follows: A. E. Burgess, Robert Hirsh, Isaac Hoskins, Geo. H. Fisher (Scranton), J. F. Rutherford, Dr. John Edgar.? The declaration of ?five? names, followed by six names, could possibly be because John Edgar (of Scotland) had died (although seemingly RutherĀ­ford?s name should have appeared after Edgar?s if that were an added codicil), or because as keeper of the will, he had added his own name. (It is said that Rutherford denied all requests to see the will.) Rutherford added himself to the Editorial Committee.

    No wonder growing up we were told these were the Evil Slave class and not to talk to them because the WT did not want you to hear the other side of the story. Bunch of bleeping hypocrates.

    Will

    F Mary posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:22:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    Sword of Duuuh! said: If this is true, then why did Charles include Rutherford's name in his will?

    He didn't. Booze Rutherford got his name put on the Will after Brother Russell died. Brother Russell, while not faultless, knew that Rutherford was a pain in the ass he was NOT the type of person he wanted left in charge. And sure enough, once Rutherford illegally restled control away from those who Brother Russell wanted to run the show, things started changing. A good example is both men's view towards Jews: Russell was sympathetic towards them, Rutherford, while initially carrying on this belief, eventually revealed his true colours and was very anti-Semetic.

    I vaguely recall reading somewhere else that Beth Sarim was built to get Rutherford out of office as no one could stand him at Bethel. While alot of Brother Russell's ideas were far-fetched, he was alot more laid back than the fanatical nazi-like regieme that Rutherford created.

    M RR posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:35:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    Mary stated:

    I vaguely recall reading somewhere else that Beth Sarim was built to get Rutherford out of office as no one could stand him at Bethel.

    Actually, in time VanAmburgh realized he made a mistake, but being an old man, he kept his mouth shut and played the good little sheep. He is the only one who became a JW. The rest of his family are still Bible Students. MacMillan played the brownnoser till the JUdge died, then he had a fallen out with Knorr and got the shaft.

    It has been said that Rutherford replaced his two henchmen with Franz and Knorr and it was their idea to get rid of the Judge and Franz came up with the Beth-Sarim idea. That way they could run thing while the Judge lived the life of a drunkard.

    RR

    F Mary posted Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:21:00 GMT(7/16/2004)

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    It has been said that Rutherford replaced his two henchmen with Franz and Knorr and it was their idea to get rid of the Judge and Franz came up with the Beth-Sarim idea. That way they could run thing while the Judge lived the life of a drunkard.

    Awww.......they shoulda got some professional help like group therapy for the ol' bastard instead of building him a house. Can't you just see him in such a group? He stands up and says "...My name is Judge Booze Rutherford. Prohibition is from de Debbil. I'm 237 years old and I'm a teenage alcoholic."

    M Athanasius posted Tue, 20 Jul 2004 04:49:00 GMT(7/20/2004)

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    Thanks for the helpful information RR. Your comments are always appreciated.

    F Robdar posted Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:23:00 GMT(7/20/2004)

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    Athan, I was hoping you would pop into this thread! How's the book on Rutherford coming?

    Good to see ya.

    Robyn

    M Witness 007 posted Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:08:00 GMT(9/1/2007)

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    Russell offered Mcmillan the position as president {Book- Faith on the March} before he died. Mcmillan refused, but took charge while Russell went on his final preaching tour and died.

    Leolaia posted Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:02:00 GMT(9/1/2007)

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    BTW, I have a ship record that shows that JF Rutherford, Mary Rutherford, and their son Malcolm were still living at 10 Orange Street, Brooklyn, NY as of 25 September 1914 (wasn't that mighty close to when Armageddon would climax?). But when Malcolm had to register for the draft on 15 June 1917, he gave his address as 11 East Lake, Los Angeles, CA. So at least the son had already moved out to California in the time between 1914 and 1917. BTW, on his draft card he claims an exemption on the basis of "Member Bible Students Assn."

    Here is something interesting. Sister Rutherford subsequently lived in a home in Monrovia, California (at 160 North Primrose Avenue), which just so happened to be less than a mile away from the famous Pottenger Sanatorium, which was established in 1903 and which specialized in treating pulmonary diseases.

    Guess who had a pulmonary disease? JF Rutherford. He claimed to have caught it in 1918 in prison. Hayden Covington claimed that he had it even earlier from falling into a icy lake in Missouri when he was young. I don't know if that's true (it may not be). But at the very least that suggests that Rutherford spent time in California for his health and that is why the house in that location was chosen. That of course was the real reason behind Beth Sarim. But Rutherford already had a home for that purpose, with his wife and located near a renowned Institute. Why did he need a mansion located in San Diego far away from his wife, where he would live with his female secretary? I guess that is a commentary on his marriage more than anything else.

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