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Truth about JW Anointing - Part 2 of 3

    M Amazing posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:04:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    PART 2: How do they really know they are Anointed?

    Mystery Religion?: When I first became a JW, my JW mentor told me that one of the sins of Christendom was that they are part of Babylon the Great, the "Mystery" religion. He cited the "Trinity" as an example of spiritual mysteries that Christendom is guilty of promoting ... unlike the Watchtower lovers of plain and simple Truth ... who ... reveal all and hold no mysteries ...

    Yet, JWs somehow seem to miss the many mysteries of their own religion. Many? Yes! Who really are members of the GB? The average JW not only knows nothing of these men, but can rarely name more than two or three members ... How are Watchtower articles and books really written? Does the average JW even know the process, much less the research and most importantly the motivation behind an article? Even the JWs who don't think about it much are reminded each year at Memorial of ... the biggest mystery of all ... that nagging question ... how do the Anointed REALLY know they are such? What does Jehovah do to them to let them know?

    The Watchtower is sort of right ... but not much: The Society teaches that it was much easier for older JW Anointed, because they were all at one time Anointed, and that was the ONLY hope held out, so no Christian needed to question his/her hope or Anointing. Their only real concern was self-scrutiny to determine 'worthiness' ... in other words being in too sinful a state should disqualify an Anointed from partaking as it is a holy ritual ... but they would still be Anointed. The Society applies this standard from the time of the Apostles right up to near the year 1935.

    What the Watchtower Society does ""not"" tell the JWs: ... and JWs are often afraid to ask, or do not think of the theological problem created and solved by the Society. First, the struggle over the issue existed for early Russellites as well ... the two-class heavenly doctrine caused struggle, not over going to heaven because all Russellite Bible Students went to heaven, but over whether one was of the called and elect to Rule with Christ, part of the Bride class of 144,000 ... or ... whether one was of the unlimited Great Company who would merely accompany the Bride Class as Bride's maidens into the Great marriage in heaven. The worthiness at that time was over whether one "good enough" to be among those who would so closely commune and spiritually intercourse with Christ himself. (21st Century verbiage would be written to say: "Christ does not want an ugly old hooker off the street, but only a clean hot babe who is still a virgin.") In essence, this is what it boils down to if JWs were to be intellectually honest with themselves.

    So, since 1935, somehow the easy method to determine whether one is of the Anointed has all but vanished ... and now, for those so-called "RARE" replacements, they get something special ... something extra done to them to let them know they are special, spiritual virgins, clean, holy, undefiled (not an old hag hooker) ... and that they are really now direct Sons of God with a life in heaven as their hope ... ready to be married to Christ and rule the earth in the Kingdom of God ... part of his governmental administration ... ad infinitum.

    What then does God do to these newer Anointed to let them know they are called and chosen ?: That they are no longer little Shreks with bad breath living in squalor ... but that they are now clean minty-fresh Holy members of the Bride Class ready to live in the picture-perfect organized City of Lord Farquar! (You like the cartoon movie reference?). The Society lets JW believe that those JW Anointed know they are such simply because God lets them know in some mysterious fashion ... and that their faithful service for many long years ... especially serving in a good organizational position to validate this status ... and that if you have the Almighty "DOUBT" you then cannot possibly be of the Anointed ... and if you partake "Unworthily" you will go to HELL!!! Err ... I mean die at Armageddon!

    What God does varies according to the person you talk to. Some claim to have visions ... some claim to hear a voice calling them ... some claim to have a sign or prayer answered ... some claim to have been zapped with an energy surge ... MOST all JW Anointed claim to "identify" with the calling as they read the Bible and the "Society’s" literature (of course the Almighty Society is needed here too.) And thus, most JW Anointed simply state ... "The Spirit bears Witness with Our Spirit that we are God's Children" ... and so the standard party line goes.

    Again they ask: how do they REALLY know YET ... this still does not satisfy the non-Anointed inquisitor ... somehow they feel cheated ... they are searching for something concrete and never quite seem to get what they want to know ... it is elusive ... they want to know what it is exactly that God does to let them know?

    BUT ... the Society never openly tells the SECRET: ... the MYSTERY ... yet ... it is there right in front of ALL JWs to see if they want to know. Simply put, ANY JW can become Anointed by self-determination ... and that is how it is done. They don't want to be excluded from God in heaven ... and they search until they discover what the Society teaches that let's them in on the Big Secret that breaks down the door and lets them inside to the Inner Sanctum. That is correct ... JW Anointed simply CHOOSE to go to heaven ... and for proof, see the following Watchtower article and analysis that will let you in on the secret too: (See my article on the 1952 Watchtower - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/7411/1.ashx)

    Self Determination for all? But it is a limited number of 144,000 - how can this be? Quite simply put ... the Society scares the beegeebers out of JWs so that they will be assured NOT to make such a self-determination. And why would the Society want to do this? (And we know they do at least every year) ... it is not necessarily because of control, although I am more convinced now than ever that this is definitely part of the equation ... but ... primarily because they have to prop up the doctrine of the close of the heavenly call by 1935 (or whatever year they next select to close it again) ... AND most of all to prop up their doctrine of a limited number of 144,000 who are Anointed ... as long as there are only a few thousand among the millions of JWs, this image will remain secure and the Society can stick to the doctrine.

    Anyone, however, who reads the Bible with honesty comes to understand that ALL who have faith in Christ are anointed, saved, and goes to heaven when they die ... this is central to the Christian religion and no amount of word-smithing and gerrymandering by inventing new doctrines will change this.

    SO WHAT? ... okay, so JW Anointing is easier to understand ... what about those ex-JW Anointed who have left the Watchtower religion and renounced its faith? Can they ever be reinstated? Are they still Anointed if they do get reinstated? Did they sin against the holy spirit? And what happens if they don't get reinstated? Do they go to Hell ( = die at Armageddon)? What was their life like as JWs? And what is it like today? What are their views today? Do they still claim to be Anointed, albeit Christendom style?

    Stay tuned ... Part 3 is coming to a virtual online JW posting theater near you !!!

    F outnfree posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:26:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    What then does God do to these newer Anointed to let them know they are called and chosen ?

    Again they ask: how do they REALLY know YET ... this still does not satisfy the non-Anointed inquisitor ... somehow they feel cheated ... they are searching for something concrete and never quite seem to get what they want to know ... it is elusive ... they want to know what it is exactly that God does to let them know?

    You are too right, Jim! I NEVER was satisfied with the usual "they just know..." answer.

    Nice to finally "know" that they didn't "know" anything special at all! Just that they felt close enough to the Father to feel like family. Sheesh! I felt like that in SECOND GRADE!!!!

    So this exclusionary thing is more like the Catholic pre-communion prayer "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you" without the qualifying "speak but the word and my soul shall be healed" teaching of grace?

    outnfree

    IslandWoman posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:56:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Amazing,

    The "younger anointed" are the ones who will bring about change in the Tower. I am afraid you do not know them as well as you think you do.

    Although I believe you used to partake.

    IW

    Nathan Natas posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:55:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Yes, Amazing, Island Woman is right; you told us that you considered yourself to be one of the anointed when you were a JW. (and you pased that COs "test" of the veracity of your claim!)

    I'm hoping you will tell us about your present thoughts and convictions on the matter.

    -Nathan (skinny worn out toothless Ho class)

    teejay posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:35:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Sorry, Amazing, but I scanned this second installment looking for the “meat” and didn’t find it. Hopefully it will show up in the final installment.

    Also, I concur with IW and Nate: didn’t you at one time consider yourself Anointed? How did YOU come to know? Hear voices? See a vision of the Glorified Jesus Christ in all of His Heavenly Glory? Man!... I can’t wait ‘till Part III!!!

    M Amazing posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:39:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Hi Nathan, IW & Teejay: I partook for 20 years of the 25 I was a JW. I was one of those so-called "Younger" anointed until I got older ... darn ...

    And ... Teejay, the "meat" is found two ways:

    1. I discussed briefly "self-determination" as the means to know that one is of the "Anointed".

    2. Then referenced detailed support in the post I linked.

    Go back to the following paragraph above in my post:

    BUT ... the Society never openly tells the SECRET: ... the MYSTERY ... yet ... it is there right in front of ALL JWs to see if they want to know. Simply put, ANY JW can become Anointed by self-determination ... and that is how it is done. They don't want to be excluded from God in heaven ... and they search until they discover what the Society teaches that let's them in on the Big Secret that breaks down the door and lets them inside to the Inner Sanctum. That is correct ... JW Anointed simply CHOOSE to go to heaven ... and for proof, see the following Watchtower article and analysis that will let you in on the secret too: (See my article on the 1952 Watchtower - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/7411/1.ashx)

    Simply put, as I state in the linked reference, Jehovah does NOT zap or electrify JW Anointed. Rather, a JW decides they want to be of the Anointed and they follow the steps outlined in the linked reference. If ANY JW claims otherwise, they are NOT in accordance with Watchtoiwer theological teaching, and are therefore Apostate (according to organizational views.)

    Hope that helps. - Jim W.

    teejay posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:54:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Hope that helps.

    It does, Jim, and thanks (although that earlier thread surely steals a bit of the thunder due to come from Part III of this series).

    On a side note, in the earlier thread of yours that you referenced, you said

    They defy the above material from their Governing Body, maybe written by someone like Fred Franz who was never a baptized JW.

    ... and didn’t come back to clarify statements that (poster) Peter Stride made that countered your statement. I’m curious: did or didn’t Freddie get baptized? If not, that’s news to me.

    IslandWoman posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:34:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Amazing,

    Simply put, as I state in the linked reference, Jehovah does NOT zap or electrify JW Anointed. Rather, a JW decides they want to be of the Anointed and they follow the steps outlined in the linked reference. If ANY JW claims otherwise, they are NOT in accordance with Watchtoiwer theological teaching, and are therefore Apostate

    Is your thread about the Younger Anointed as they are today or about how the Watchtower views them?

    Teejay,

    In his life story found in the May 1, 1987 Watchtower, Fred Franz said on page 25, "How good it was to be taken into the congregation of the International Bible Students, who were so loyal to God's Word. On April 5, 1914, in Chicago, Illinios, I symbolized my consecration-as we used to call dedication-by water baptism."

    It would seem then that Franz was baptized into the Bible Students, at least according to this.

    IW

    teejay posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:46:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Ah! Thanks IW. Bible Students. JWs. Six in one hand... half a dozen in the other...

    IslandWoman posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:51:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Bible Students. JWs. Six in one hand... half a dozen in the other...

    Yep!

    Edited to add: I hope RR doesn't see this, he might take offense.

    IW

    M Amazing posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 21:08:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Hi IW and Teejay: Yes, I evidently erred regarding Fred Franz baptism. Although, some from that early era who refer to a "baptism date" conveniently leave out the fact that their baptism was really in Christendom. Though Ray Franz commented on this in his books, and I was left with the impression that Fred did not get baptized as a Bible Student, but considered his original baptism in Christendom as adequate. The Bible Students at that time did not feel obligated to get baptized as they could still recognize their original baptism in Christendom. Fred Franz had been of the Anointed and serving a while in the organization before getting baptized. However, I have this recollection that some of the original directors (precursor to the GB) were never officially baptized as JWs or as Bible Students. I will check with Ray Franz when I get a chance and see what his recollections are. Thanks. - Jim W.

    PS: The earlier linked thread does not steal from the next part, which will deal more with my experience as an Anointed JW Elder, and then an ex-JW. The earlier thread deals more with "how they know" issue.

    F patio34 posted Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:09:00 GMT(6/7/2003)

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    Yay! Amazing's back!!

    Pat

    onacruse posted Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:45:00 GMT(6/10/2003)

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    As part of Rutherford's continuing attempt to get the slacker "character-developers" off their duffs and out selling books and magazines (a very frequent theme of the 30s WTS lit), FF and Ruthy came up with a convenient re-definition of how one "knew" they were "anointed." It was a 5-part series (emphasis is added):

    1) Jehovah's Royal House (Watch Tower January 15,1930)

    Basically nothing more than a setting out of convoluted definitions about "the call" and "begotten." The article closes with the telling words (p. 24):

    These scriptures show that every one who will ultimately become a member of the royal house of Jehovah must be a servant of the Lord and as such must prove faithful. When a man is brought forth as a new creature and therefore the son of God is he henceforth the servant of God or is the way open for him to become a servant of God? This necessarily involves the question of the call and the response thereto. Consideration of these points is next in order. (To be continued)

    The suggestive "response thereto" plays very strongly into the subsequent arguments.

    2) The Royal House of God (Part 2) (Watch Tower February 1,1930)

    More about the "calling," and response thereto, especially that not all who "receive the call" respond and become "anointed." The point being (p. 39-40):

    it is manifest that there are some who respond to the call and many who do not, and these scriptures are exactly in accord with the words of Jesus that “many are called, but few are chosen.” (Matthew 22:14) The words of Jesus furthermore make it clear that those who will be of the royal house not only are called, but are chosen and prove faithful. Now let consideration be given to how those who respond to the call are chosen and what is proof that such have been chosen . (To be continued)

    Note the "what is proof that such have been chosen." The hidden agenda is beginning to suggest itself.

    3) Jehovah's Royal House (Part 3) (Watch Tower February 15,1930)

    The stake begins to be driven home (p. 52):

    Many have made the grievous error of convincing themselves that after they have made a consecration to the Lord all they need to do is to refrain from the unrighteous acts and things which the apostle points out in 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10, and that by refraining from these evil things they are developing a character that will enable them to get into the kingdom. Such is not the apostle’s argument at all; but rather they must refrain from these evil things, even after responding to the call, before they will be chosen of the Lord. Then the Scriptures show that such must go much further than merely taking an inactive or passive course. After being chosen they must prove their faithfulness.

    Extensive discussion of the Levitical "scapegoat" ensues, with the conclusion (p. 56):

    The proper conclusion, therefore, seems to be that the sons of God, begotten or brought forth, who respond to the call by presenting themselves as a living sacrifice, and who are received into the covenant for a kingdom, are chosen; and this choice or choosing is indicated by the anointing.

    See the drift here? It's those who do something that prove they are anointed...otherwise, they are not anointed, and never were. The coup de grace begins to show itself in:

    4) Jehovah's Royal House (Part 4) (Watch Tower March 1,1930) (pp. 71-72):

    The sum of the matter, therefore, seems to be this: That the apostles and those closely associated with them received the anointing of the holy spirit of God; that after the death of such and throughout the centuries following, until the second coming of the Lord, a very limited number were anointed with the holy spirit; that with the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ he ‘prepared the way before Jehovah,’ as was foretold by the prophet Malachi, and within that period of time a limited number of spirit-begotten ones were anointed, and that such were the ones who joyfully and faithfully engaged in the Elijah work of the church; that when the Lord came to his temple he began taking account with the consecrated and spirit-begotten ones, and, finding some whom he approved, these were chosen and anointed; that then was the time when there was a larger fulfilment of the prophecy uttered by Joel cand enter into the work which the Lord has provided for them; that the anointed ones at the coming of the Lord to his temple constitute the “faithful and wise servant” class and that such class is also foreshadowed in the prophecy of Isaiah concerning the laying of “the key of the house of David” upon the shoulder of Eliakim (Isaiah 22:20-22); and that such are the chosen ones of the Lord and so made manifest by the anointing. But are these fully prepared to become members of the royal house of Jehovah? It is quite clear from the Scriptures that there is yet something which they must do. (To be continued) oncerning the pouring out of the spirit upon all flesh, meaning that all the approved ones were anointed of the holy spirit and thereafter began the proclamation of the message of truth as commissioned; that the lukewarm must be warned that those who do arouse themselves may also receive the anointing.

    No more of that useless "character development" (dubbed the "Elisha" work”) for Rutherford; it's the work that counts, and proves that you are of the anointed class. Otherwise, you are as worthless as the scapegoat.

    5) Jehovah's Royal House (Part 5) (Watch Tower March 15,1930) (p. 83):

    If one finds in his mind an objection or opposition to the organized effort now being put forth to give the witness of Jehovah God and his kingdom, is not that strong circumstantial evidence that he is not of the temple? If he finds himself opposed to manufacturing books containing the message glorifying God’s name and advertising his King and kingdom, and opposed to carrying them from door to door and putting them in the hands of the people, would it not be well for him to ask himself, Am I one of the Lord’s anointed and in the temple? If he finds himself provoked at what The Watch Tower has published concerning the greater light that God is giving to his people, fails to see or appreciate that light himself and opposes others who are trying to use it to the Lord’s glory, such he should take into consideration in determining whether or not he is of the temple.

    On the other hand, if one has wholly devoted himself to the Lord God; finds that he has no sympathy with the wicked organization of Satan, and finds that he has a vision of God’s organization and the enemy’s organization; finds that he is moved with a zeal for the Lord and that he is striving daily to lead a clean and pure life, consistent with the high calling; finds that he is rejoicing in the ever-increasing light upon God’s Word and anxious to have a part in passing the message on to others, and that he is putting forth his best endeavors to give the testimony of Jesus Christ, and finding great joy therein, then would not this be strong proof that he is of the temple class and therefore one of God’s anointed? All such who are thus singing the praises of Jehovah in harmony with his Word may have reason to believe that they are of the anointed... Jesus said: “Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) In harmony with this, is it not now plain that the number of the anointed ones is small and that only those who continue faithful to the commission of their anointing unto the end will be of the kingdom ? The great multitude have been begotten of God, and before them the call has been placed. Many have not responded to that call. Probably many of those who accepted the call and started in the race have not been chosen. Those who responded to the call and have been chosen have received the anointing of the holy spirit. They have the spirit of Christ and are his. Now they must be faithful to the test, and that test requires every one to earnestly and carefully safeguard the kingdom interests that have been committed to the commissioned, anointed ones.

    Numerous subsequent WT articles over the next few years even go so far as to say that those who leave the WTS thereby prove they never were of the "anointed" class.

    Craig

    F manon posted Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:00 GMT(6/10/2003)

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    I just love trilogies fascinating read thanks for posting. -Nathan of the I've ridden the #7 line too (destination nowhere).

    M dannyboy posted Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:28:00 GMT(6/13/2003)

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    Jim,

    Good to see your posts more frequently again...

    I'm a bit puzzled by this comment:

    Simply put, ANY JW can become Anointed by self-determination ... and that is how it is done

    If your point is that "...this is how it REALLY works.....", I think I see where you're coming from...BUT: The annointed I had contact with ALL CLAIMED to have the "token" in the form of a strong internal "thing" if you will internally that EXTERNALLY convinced them they had "the calling".......if memory serves, this is the thrust of Watchtower teaching, is it not? So this leads me to the thought that since Jehovah's Witnesses DON'T have any special blessing from God, any claimed "annointing" in connection with the group is baloney (sorry).

    Your comment suggests to me that Watchtower publications in effect endorse the concept of "self determination" as you put it....if you mean this in the sense that nobody can test them one way or the other, I got it...........but if you mean the person CHOOSES this, like you can select a meal, I don't recall that...

    I've found your posts to be ALWAYS well thought out, and inciteful, can't say the same for my thinking/posts!

    ---Dan

    M Amazing posted Sat, 14 Jun 2003 03:24:00 GMT(6/14/2003)

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    Hi Dan,

    Yes, JW anointing is baloney. The "self-determination" is directly taught in Watchtower publications ... but has not been highlighted much since the 1950s because the Society wants the number to reduce to fulfill their 1935 prophecy that the number of 144,000 alive on earth is truly reducing.

    Ahhhhh .... the famous "Token" ... yes, perhaps that deserves one more post on the topic. I will do that tomorrow. - Jim W.

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