Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Stupid People???

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    minimus posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:56:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    JW's are supposed to be the cleanest, the happiest and the most honest people on earth. In reality, do you think that they are amongst the most stupid people on earth???

    Farkel posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:13:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    This is a really STUPID topic, minimus. It evokes nothing, it accomplishes nothing.

    I was a dub, and I'm ten times smarter than people who are ten times dumber than me.

    See what I mean?

    Farkel

    F NaruNaruChan posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:22:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Minimus,

    I don't think they are stupid people... just... Naive. I mean, each of us has an element of naiviety (sp?) to us... and being controlled appeals at one point, I guess. i don't think they are stupid, though... I know some JWs who scored 1600 on the SAT, 1460, etc. They're booksmart but brainwashed.

    M freedom96 posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:26:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Not so much stupid as having their head in the sand.

    F Robdar posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 04:27:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    What? They are supposed to be the cleanest people on earth?! I bought my house from a JW family. I was amazed at the dirty condition that they left it in.

    Robyn

    M unclebruce posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:58:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    :::settle down bro.farkel ya great touchstone of crap disernment minimouse is just giving us a sounding board .. his threads are kinda like the fluffy cream on the pie lol .. sure this is all goofy stuff but can we please try and have some fun ... please (ooo suck'n up hurts! .. don't think i'll do that again lol now for a serious answer to a stupid question:

    Minimouse asks: Are Jehovah's Witnesses A Stupid People???

    Serious Answer:

    When I was a young pioneer investigating JW origins I came across a detailed scientific paper on the mental health of English Witnesses. It concluded that Jehovah's Witnesses had a higher than average IQ and were mostly middle class.

    The super rich enjoy life now i guess and the poor can't afford to be fooled.

    unclebruce (above average IQ with a lower than average bank account :(

    F Joyzabel posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:14:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    "my momma always said 'stupid is what stupid does'" Forrest Gump

    M greven posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:55:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    amongst the most stupid people?

    Stupid is to harsh a word a would say they are amongst the most naive and gullible.

    They DO have the capacity to think but this is numbed down by indoctrination and isolation, to this children are the most vunerable and that is where they get most growth from.

    Greven

    F jwbot posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:10:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Not stupid, nieve is a better word. Some classmates of mine who were witnesses were very studious, got great grades and offers from colleges they would turn down so that they could have their talents wasted cleaning toilets at Bethel. They deserved college more than I did.

    My sister who is just so completely brainwashed (disfellowshipped and AS QUICK AS SHE COULD REPENTED and told me she was worthless, how sad is that?) graduated high school at age 16. She went to a 2 year community college because witnesses were discouraged from going to 4 year colleges, for office work. She is this smart woman, training to be a secretary. Its not right. No offense against secrataries, but she didn't want to be one, she just thought that thats all she could go to college for. She is a talented writer. *sigh*

    minimus posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:39:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    UnkleBooze, What detailed scientific paper are you talking about? The EVOLUTION book??? How stupid must one be to accept only illogical conclusions?

    M Francois posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:53:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Not stupid.

    Not even naive (I have to look up that stupid word every time I want to use it.)

    But very, very ignorant. Instutionalized ignorance, in fact. Ingrained. Got it under their fingernails.

    francois

    Jayson posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:21:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    no

    F Ravyn posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:42:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    yep what francois said.

    ignorant

    ignor-ant

    not neceesarily uneducated altho it is not a priority.

    and not always naive--some know exactly what they are there for

    gullible--well that goes along with ignor-ant(ignoring the obvious)

    victims for the most part--of their own misery, looking for the miracle that will make all this worthwhile.

    JWs are not any different from any other human when it comes to it. check out some of the other "x" boards(and Valis that is "x" as in EXIT, FORMER, USED TO BE A MEMBER OF...)

    Ravyn

    minimus posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:53:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Webster says stupid means,"lacking ordinary activity and keeness of mind, dull, slow-thinking. Charecterized by mental dullness, foolish, senseless.".....I think the average JW fits the description.

    TresHappy posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:56:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    My parents are JW's, they aren't stupid, just misinformed...

    M rocketman posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:09:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Well I wouldn't say stupid. But, uneducated to some degree, because for years they eschewed "higher education". So as a group, I think they could be termed as not well educated, at least to a certain degree.

    Also, by and large, they do not bother to research or question what they are taught (partly out of fear). They are also largely very difficult to reason with when presented with a viewpoint that does not match their own. Is that stupid? Maybe stupid's not quite the right word. Like Fracois pointed out, ignorant may be a better word.

    logansrun posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:12:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Well, I don't think I'm an Einstein, but I'm smarter than your average bear. I give myself the benefit of the doubt in that I was raised in it. Seems those dubs that are really intelligent just grew up force-fed this crap. Those that come into the organization with some brains about them also have one other notable feature: they are extrememly QUIRKY (see Fred Franz).

    Bradley

    minimus posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:20:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Fred Franz and Farkel are similar,then.

    F blondie posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:37:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    No, I don't think JWs are stupid. Their intelligence varies at about the same in the general population. I think they give up the responsibility for using their thinking ability to the WTS. They are not like the Bereans who checked to make sure that what Paul was saying was from the Scriptures.

    How many JWs answer at the meetings using a scripture and making proper application to the event it is about or what Christians can learn to make personal application.

    "The book says"

    "The magazine says"

    "The paragraph says"

    "The slave/society says"

    "The Bible/scriptures say(s)"

    Which one(s) did you hear most often?

    That is why when a JW encounters a moderately well-prepared non-JW or ex-JW, they panic. There programmed phrases don't work. They scramble to find a scripture, not even using "Reasoning from the Scriptures" with much skill.

    They let other people do their thinking for them.

    So no, JWs aren't stupid, just mentally lazy.

    Blondie

    minimus posted Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:42:00 GMT(4/17/2003)

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    Yes, we all seem to agree then with Webster's definition of "stupid" as applying to Jehovah's Witnesses.

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