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Just finished my DA letter

    M pr_capone posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 05:07:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Well.... after talking alot about doing it but never actually doing it, I have decided to go ahead and write up my DA letter. Here it is!

    February 13, 2003

    Prairie Park Congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses

    Dear Mr. Grier:

    My name is Eremic Granell, you know me as Eric Rowe. I write this letter to advise you of my decision to disassociate myself, as I no longer want to be known as one of Jehovahs Witnesses. I have thought long and hard regarding this decision, and I have no doubt that it is the right one.

    I believe that there are times in ones life when he/she must stand up and take control of their lives. The amount of unscriptural control exerted by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society upon its members is appalling. Mostly this control is done through fear. The loss of family and friends is held over a person. While "in" there is the threat of censure through judicial committees. Individuals are not only told to be fearful of God but of each other (must report "sin" to the elders) and not only of what YOU do but also fear of what you might make someone else do (stumbling them resulting in blood-guilt). People are taught not only to fear behaving in a wrong way but even taught to fear their own thoughts which is one of the reasons they give up thinking.

    How do I know this to be true? I know from personal experience. At the advice of ELDERS, my own mother disowned me. Her exact words were I dont ever want to see you here (her home) unless you are hungry. If you have nothing to eat, you can eat here, thats it. I was cut off from what matters to me the most, my family. I was not allowed to see Alex or spend any time with him. I would stop by and visit and I was not even allowed to hug my own brother. This came about because an ELDER kept whispering in her ear how evil what I was doing was and how I would affect Alex. In the span of one year, I was able to see my little brother less than 15 times. The Jehovahs Witnesses break up families like mine every single day. Many young people my age are left with no family and friends because they thought differently than what the organization teaches. To this day, my mother and I have a very strained relationship because of this.

    I remember giving a talk once from the reasoning book regarding false prophets. The point in the reasoning book was how if anyone making a prophecy that did not come true, even if all others did, is still a false prophet. Russell claimed that millions how living would never die back in 1925. Of course those people all died. Then in the May 1, 1999 Watchtower it was written Yes, it is true, as the apostle Paul says, that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now-but not for much longer. Millions now living will see the restoration of all things of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets of old time, including a restoration of peace, freedom, and justice to the whole human family. The same prophesy, which never came true the first time, re-hashed.

    What about the involvement of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society with the United Nations? I call to your attention what the Watchtower Bible and tract society had to say regarding the United Nations in the Watchtower 10/1/97, page 7, box on the bottom of the page. I then also would call to your attention the following link. http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirSubj/sub0D9A2.HTM . The Watchtower Bible and Tract society quietly rescinded their membership with the U.N. on October 9 2001. How can ANY organization claiming to be Gods representative here on earth be so two-faced? On one hand, you are telling the members of your congregation to have NO PART OF THIS WORLD, yet on the other hand the WTBTS was registered as an NGO with the United Nations! In order to educate you further as to what being an NGO involves, I am including a link directly from the United Nations web site that I hope you take the time to look at. http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm

    There are many other reasons as to why I no longer want to be known as one of Jehovahs Witnesses. I do not have the time nor the desire to explain them all. I will limit it to saying that I do not want any part of any religion that covers up things such as child abuse. I do not want any part of any religion that shows nepotism. I do not want any part of any religion that would cover up the sins of the more popular members or the children of Elders or Servants. There are numerous other things but again, I do not have the time nor the desire to go further.

    Im sure that you will read through this letter and dismiss it simply saying that my thoughts and actions are the end result of my having a worldly girlfriend, or worldly association. I want to assure you that I have had these doubts and reservations for years now, fear of loosing everything I had worked so hard for kept me from saying anything. All the thoughts that are expressed in this letter are my own.

    I hope that the elders that read this letter do so with an open mind. If you have any doubts, any at all, ask questions. Do not settle for answers that are given by the publications of a publishing company. Get the answers straight from the bible. Although it is considered an apostate act to study other religions from any source other than what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society provides, do so, if only to become fully informed as to what other religions believe. I have read the Mankinds Search for God book many times. It is lacking in many ways. The only was you will get the truth regarding what another religions beliefs are is to ask someone (preferably a priest of some sort) of that religion what it is that they believe and why. If and when you do so, keep an open mind. You may be surprised.

    Enclosed you will find, in case there is any doubt, a copy of a letter (names have been deleted as to protect the identity and family of this person who wrote to the UN) from the United Nations with some specific information regarding the membership of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

    In closing, I would like to be added to the do-not call list. I do not want to be visited for encouragement. I do not want to receive any phone calls. I would like to be left alone so I can live my life the way God would want me to. Free from the control of any earthly organization, but only what is found in the bible.

    Sincerely,

    Eremic Granell / Eric Rowe

    Edited by - pr_capone on 13 February 2003 16:40:5

    M pr_capone posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 05:08:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    I also attached this letter to my letter, HUGE thanks goes to jgnat and viv for helping me find this.

    M Klaus Vollmer posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 05:30:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    another testimonial bout the "truth" that leads to eternal lies.

    the ivory towers must fall

    F TheSilence posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:57:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Congrats, PR!!!

    Jackie

    F Been there posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:59:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Very good letter pr_capone. I was proof reading (I did it for a living) and there are some things your spell check didn't get. I have a list if you want to e-mail me. Please don't think I'm picking it apart. The Elders probably would'nt notice.

    cornish posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:10:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    PR that is very,very good,let me take this oportunity to wish you the very best in all your endevours.

    By the way you say you are young,how old are you may I ask? It seems you have been through a heck of a lot and your letter is very well thought.

    F Celia posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:28:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Very good ! If only more JWs who have doubts would speak up and not let fear keep them back...

    Russell claimed that millions how living would never die back in 1925.

    I believe it was Judge Rutherford who said that. Russell died in 1916.

    Edited by - Celia on 13 February 2003 6:28:9

    Guest 77 posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:40:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    been There

    Very helpful and kind of you Been There.

    Celia, It was Rutherford.

    Guest 77

    caballoSentado posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:52:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Good letter pr_capone!
    There is only one problem...It was Rutherford, not Russell who said
    "millions how living would never die" back in 1925.
    Caballo Sentado

    M RAYZORBLADE posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:57:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    PR - I take my hat off to you.

    Very well written, and you have expressed yourself so eloquently and clearly.

    A model letter, it may be useful to others either lurking here on this site, or those whom are contemplating doing similarly.

    Very well put.

    Welcome to Freedom!

    M Maverick posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:29:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    You bring up many valid points and I am sure you have seen the correction about Russell/Rutherford. But are you sure you want to take this tact? There may be another option. Check out the Baptism Nullification letter in this forum. You could send that Letter to the Society and with some minor changes send the other letter to not just to the Elders you addressed it to but to everyone who knows you. If you take out any mention of dissassociation they will not be able to view you that way. The advantage is that any "thinking" Witnesses who are seen talking to you cannot be officially punished and if the Elders gossip about you they leave themselves open to be sued for slander. Take the stick out of their hands. You do not have to play by their rules. You are not the apostate. Are you claiming to be Gods sole channel on Earth? Are you claiming that loyalty to you is proof of loyalty to God? Are you usurping Christ as mediator between mankind and God? Of course not. You are only "guilty" of using the brain God gave you. Yours, Maverick

    M email posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:41:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Eric,

    I know it was a hard decision to make because of the consequences especially in cases where you have family and/or friends in the org. but it is a decision that I trully respect because of the courgage it takes to do it.

    Hope everything works great for you.

    Your Friend,

    Rick

    Edited by - email on 13 February 2003 9:26:53

    Sangdigger posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:00:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Good letter, well thought out. I like how you challenged him to see for himself whats going on.

    wheelwithinwheel posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:37:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Great letter! Your view is well explained with just enough detail. I like your closiing instructions. I'm keeping it for future reference. I hope to formally get out of Babylon too one day soon.

    M pr_capone posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:17:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Thank you all for your replies and pointing out my error with Russel/Rutherford.... I will be sure to make that change prior to sending it off.

    Maverick - I understand what you are saying but this is something that I feel I have to do to finaly be rid of them. The longer that I continue to be a memer, albiet an inactive one, the harder it is going to be to shake the JW mentality that I still have in me.

    To whomever asked how young I am (my screen will not go down that far) - I am 22 going on 40 thanks to the WTBTS

    To whomever spellchecked it - I will be sending you an email soon, thanks!

    Rick - Thank you buddy, hope you can make it to Dallas :D

    LB posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:18:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Nicely written letter Eric. When I wrote mine there was a huge sense of relief. When my name was announced there was a milisecond of doubt but that went quickly away. Actually since my DA letter I have been approached by more JW"s than when I was just inactive. Interesting isn't it? Many more witnesses are thinking about the society and I believe every time a name is announced they have to just wonder why.

    F sf posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:00:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Hello pr,

    {{ hug }}

    I am involved in a few 'projects' re: exposing some of the more 'political' aspects of this corrupt corporation, such as some of what is contained in your brilliant letter. I'm also about to embark on actually 'coming out' with who I am and what I'm 'fighting' for...all Watchtower kids, past, present, and hopefully never, future jw kids! It is something locally, within my community. Yet my hopes and my GOAL is for this embarkment to go statewide and perhaps even snowball nationally. That said......

    I have this 'idea' of printing up some of these letters of disassociation written by people such as yourself, you have lived the WT life and now want to 'leave' It, and displaying them to the public in various ways. Your real name can be kept on the DOCUMENT or you can allow me to just use the screen name. These documents will then be BLOWN UP to porportions that are conveniently visable to any public eye that WITNESSES it.

    Already in my community I have circulated much WT info on key issues; such as the 'pedophile paradise', U.N.--RAND/Regi (all military related) DOCS, shunning policy, in which DESTROYS FAMILY NUCLEUS', and a host of other related materials.

    My desire is to circulate these letters, AS WELL. Written by people who lived as a jw and who can now show, thru documentation, WT literature itself and also the two key sites on the web (freeminds and silentlambs) that it is indeed a FRAUDULENT ENTERPRISE. When people see these letters, it my hope that it will MOVE THEM to ACT FOR ALL CHILDREN, [[ESPECIALLY]] WATCHTOWER KIDS.

    Picture this:

    Me, the sKallywagger, holding an interview, here in my community, right in front of one of the local kingdom halls. On the public portion of the property, of course. Holding up letters, DOCS, websites and 'such', and giving my county a grand inoculation of 'all things WT'.

    Or this:

    A five minute, live spot, at my local city council meeting with documents in toe and websites on tap, Alerting! my community of who may be potentially knocking on their doors, after sharing with them all related jw/sex abuse materials. I can have this spot once a month I believe. I have to read the pamphlet again to make sure. Each month a different issue re: this 'church' in our town.

    THE NATIONS SHALL KNOW alrighty!

    I can hardly wait to see how this develops. Yet I need permission to use what I can from these letters and docs to accomplish what I have in mind...what my 'producer' has in mind I should say.

    I fully understand if you decline. Fully.

    Thank you for sharing.

    sKally

    M pr_capone posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:07:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    You are welcome to use my letter. Let me make some of the gramatical changes to it and if you like I can email it to you within the next day or so!

    send me an e-mail at pr_capone@yahoo.com that way I have an addy to send this email to.

    Cheers!

    Eric

    F cruzanheart posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:08:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    VERY good letter, Eric! I look forward to meeting you in a couple of weeks and we'll toast your freedom!

    Nina

    F sf posted Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:13:00 GMT(2/13/2003)

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    Thank you for the quick reply.

    If it is just 'gramm' errors, I can fix those.

    I have email locked tight right now.

    Yet, if that is your wish, it is my command.

    sKally

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