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    franticfran posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:57:56 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Help!! I have just spoken to a brother who is part of a group of single brothers and sisters who meet together once a week to discuss bible topics and he has been told by and elder that the organisation "banned" these private meetings years ago. I told him I remember that article but he is adamant that the society would never do that (!) Now I am fairly sure I remember that article whether it was in a KM or one of the mags I cant recall but I am sure I remember them saying we needed nothing more than the food that the slave class provided (another means to control us),does anyone have the details of that article because I have said I will find it and let him have it. cheers everyone.

    Iown Mylife posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:08:16 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Well years ago they used to say that having a get together and discussing upbuilding topics from the Bible publications was a great way to spend time together and extend hospitality.

    They need to make up their minds, right? Because if we can't get together and discuss the WT study, natcherly we'll get together and smoke some big doobs and play wild music with a keg in the basement and...hey, can you bring your drums over and also an amp...the nachos are on me, YEAH!!!

    Narcissistic Supply posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:09:22 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Batshit crazy!

    Next!

    Watchtower-Free posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:16:41 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Here you go......................

    NO INDEPENDENT STUDY
    Does "the faithful and discreet slave" endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?-Matt. 24:45, 47.

    No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. Others explore scientific subjects related to the Bible. They have created Web sites and chat rooms for the purpose of exchanging and debating their views. They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature.

    Throughout the earth, Jehovah's people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of Jehovah's organization. Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed so that all of God's people may be "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and remain "stabilized in the faith." (1 Cor. 1:10; Col. 2:6, 7) Surely we are grateful for Jehovah's spiritual provisions in these last days. Thus, "the faithful and discreet slave" does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.-Matt. 24:45-47.

    It is commendable for individuals to want to use their thinking ability in support of the good news. However, no personal pursuit should detract from what Jesus Christ is accomplishing through his congregation on earth today. In the first century, the apostle Paul warned about getting involved in exhausting, time-consuming subjects, such as "genealogies, which end up in nothing, but which furnish questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith." (1 Tim. 1:3-7) All Christians should strive to "shun foolish questionings and genealogies and strife and fights over the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile."-Titus 3:9.

    For those who wish to do extra Bible study and research, we recommend that they explore Insight on the Scriptures, "All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial," and our other publications, such as those that discuss the prophecies found in the Bible books of Daniel, Isaiah, and Revelation. These provide abundant material for Bible study and meditation, whereby we can be "filled with the accurate knowledge of [God's] will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, in order to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing him as [we] go on bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the accurate knowledge of God."-Col. 1:9, 10.

    Kingdom Ministry 9/07 p. 3 Question Box

    ekruks posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:36:10 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Yes, that's the article - we are to follow the Watchtower, not the Bible!!

    Iown Mylife posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:42:05 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Well if they don't want anyone to do exhausting research into things that are futile and unprofitable, then it's time for some awesome jammin' and pickin' & grinnin' which is hugely profitable, just not to the WT.

    franticfran posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:51:30 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Many thanks all, and in particular Watchtower Free, do I love it when I find an answer for a "brother" here? You bet I do! Deatails will be passed on

    AndDontCallMeShirley posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:57:16 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Why study on your own? God's spirit cannot help a JW and your brain is not smart enough to understand the Bible without the WT telling you what it says. You see, only the GB has all the answers....you are stupid:

    w94 10/1 p.8 The Bible—A Book Meant to Be Understood

    Even as Bible prophecy pointed forward to the Messiah, it also directs us to the close-knit body of anointed Christian Witnesses that now serve as the faithful and discreet slave. It helps us to understand the Word of God. All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—John 6:68.

    M Jeffro posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:09:43 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    The Watch Tower Society cannot ban private meetings for any purpose, but it doesn't endorse independent Bible study groups. If such private groups develop independent thinking, it may result in a judicial committee (which has no authority or legal standing). Note that the article is careful to choose words such as "does not endorse" and "we recommend". Other than that, elders can't (officially) stop groups of JWs having 'private meetings', and it's none of their business anyway. If elders don't like private group discussions, don't invite them and don't tell them about it.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:10:33 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    It's a word game. A faithful elder reads "BAN" when he reads the article and a fringe member reads "...does not endorse..." so says he is okay with a private meeting.

    The brother who says the society would never do that needs to meditate on how a faithful elder relays the information as a ban. It is clear that WTS thinks it is a bad idea, and he should think about that also.

    M Jeffro posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:17:59 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    OnTheWayOut:

    It's a word game.

    Absolutely. But if they want to play word games, so can others.

    If some nosy elder says that someone has made an accusation about 'independent Bible study groups', just tell them you had some close friends around for dinner/coffee/whatever. It's really none of their business what people happen to talk about, and they're probably just jealous that they weren't invited.

    M Jeffro posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:22:01 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Watchtower-Free:

    NO INDEPENDENT STUDY
    Does "the faithful and discreet slave" endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?-Matt. 24:45, 47.

    Please note that "NO INDEPENDENT STUDY" did not actually appear in the material provided in the quoted Our Kingdom Ministry.

    Iown Mylife posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:26:28 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Yes Jeffro, those brothers mentioned in C of C said it was their own business, what was discussed at a private dinner and yowza, they were kicked out so fast their heads were spinning. WT thinks all business is THEIR business, LOL!

    M Jeffro posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:34:15 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Iown Mylife:

    Yes Jeffro, those brothers mentioned in C of C said it was their own business, what was discussed at a private dinner and yowza, they were kicked out so fast their heads were spinning.

    There's no need to actually say, "it's none of your business". You could just say there was an informal 'gathering' for 'association' (they like that word). Keep it informal. They're looking for a 'defensive' reaction. Don't give them one.

    franticfran posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:34:58 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Agree with all of the above! It got so bad in the end that one brother I knew became so worried that someone would misrepresent him that he would tape shepherding calls!! Can you believe that? Time to get out eh? By the way,if the headline doesnt say "No independent study" what does it say?? I used to keep all of the old wt and awakes and km but I stopped years ago but am I right in thinking that these "old" articles are no longer available on the "official" wt site? So if you did need to check anything you couldnt anyway,do any of you keep old articles and how is it you all seem to have this information? Am I missing out on something? Come on...tell all

    M Jeffro posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:39:07 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    franticfran:

    By the way,if the headline doesnt say "No independent study" what does it say??

    It just says "Question box" followed by the main question in bold.

    So if you did need to check anything you couldnt anyway,do any of you keep old articles and how is it you all seem to have this information?

    Our Kingdom Ministry is not included on the website version of the 'Library' (which only has other publications back to 2000), but it's on the Watchtower Library on CD-ROM.

    Skinnedsheep posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:41:57 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    If the Beroeans were alive today they would be disfellowshipped as apostates.

    Watchtower-Free posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:42:35 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    The statement "No independent study " were my words for my records .

    As shown on the 2012 CD Watchtower library .

    Its says at the top of the page

    "Question Box
    ? Does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47.

    SafeAtHome posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:44:10 GMT(8/11/2013)

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    Can we see this, only because we have stepped away from this organization? You know, if you would present this info to a Witness in the guise of "some religions" control their people like this, or "some cults or high control groups" have this in their rules, they would probably shake their heads. In fact, isn't that the very thing they encourage new ones to do, to examine their church and compare it to the WT? Yet, even if they read a KM with instructions to them to NOT explore anything other than JW literature, they can't see it as a red flag. How ludicrous that if you are to explore a religion or belief system that you would only use their literature or writings to do so. Otherwise intelligent people who are Witnesses find nothing wrong with this and would not dream of reading anything other than JW literature. I really don't get it, and I am speaking from personal experience about so many of my family members still in. I suppose its years of repetitive brain washing. Makes me sad.

    M besty posted Sun, 11 Aug 2013 15:46:55 GMT(8/11/2013)

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