Change of 144000 doctrine?

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    Julia Orwell posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 04:32:29 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    A friend of mine just got given a recording of the last CA which was held here a couple of weeks ago and she said there's been a change to the 144k teaching. She didn't understand what the hell they were rabbiting on about. She's really waking up as a result of all these changes, and so are some others she knows.

    Anyone know of any change to the 144k doctrine?

    Londo111 posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 05:43:07 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Maybe it is the change in teaching that the Slave is not the remnant of the 144000 but the Governing Body? That all the other of the "annointed" remnant are Domestics along with the "Other Sheep"?

    M Simon posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 05:49:39 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    They keep inching along until they'll get to the point that they (the GB) are really the mediators or 'Jesus Class' and then one day, the Saviours or 'Jehovah Class'.

    "All worship us, and do as we tell you ... and stay alert 'cause it'll all change tomorrow"

    Julia Orwell posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 07:06:54 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Hey Londo, you're probably right.

    And Simon, you know it's true...

    M steve2 posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 08:54:58 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Change is easy if you know how. The only change that would make sense is to add a few zeros to the number (14,000,000) to reduce the need to go through reasoning contortions to defend a teaching that flies in the face of the evidence. Even among Watchtower adherents alone (from 1876 until the present), the number professing a heavenly hope would easily exceed 144,000.

    designs posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 09:37:27 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    When the numbers get all screwy remember the old fall back- 'many are called but few are chosen'.

    Listener posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 09:59:17 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    It may be this in the July 15, 2013

    Watchtower Paragraph 8:

    [2] One of the events mentioned in these verses is the ‘gathering of the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it appears that all anointed ones who still remain on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will at some point be raised to heaven before the outbreak of the battle of Armageddon. This adjusts what was stated on this subject in “Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower of August 15, 1990, page 30.

    designs posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:14:10 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Pre-Trib to Mid-Trib, man you have to hand to these guys on having no embarrassment over change.

    punkofnice posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:39:06 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Too many were claiming to be 'announted(TM)'. So the GB told us those partaking of the crackers and vinegar were nutters.

    August 15, 2011 Watchtower (the study edition) pg 22 QfR: Memorial partakers. This is the number
    of baptized individuals who partake of the emblems at the Memorial worldwide. Does this total represent the number of anointed
    ones on earth? Not necessarily. A number of factors—including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance—might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling. We thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know. The Governing Body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.

    What a nice excuse for the Governing Paedophile Loving Body to assume total control.

    This is how I see the structure....

    The Governing Body = Higher than god (possibly ‘mentally imbalanced’ as they also claim to be ‘anointed’)

    Jehovah(TM) doesn't exist. Jesus doesn't exist. Only the Governing Body exist who are lovers of paedophiles.'Anointed' = All mental cases to be swept under the rug
    Rank & File = Unworthy drones – Mustn’t trust each other
    'Apostates' = pretend enemy & mental cases. Must be slaughtered by the elders.

    Paedophiles = To be protected at all times using the R&Fs money

    Obey the Governing Body and DO MORE or Jehovah™ will lovingly murder us SOON* (Using anti-matter from Alcyone). How Happifying.

    *(Terms and conditions apply and are subject to 'overlapping' or ‘New Light’™or which ever makes the GB appear to be much higher than God!)

    Londo111 posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:03:54 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    As far as a doctrinal endgame, it wouldn’t surprise me now that everybody’s a domestic, the line gets erased, or at the very least, the 144000 becomes symbolic.

    Theologically, the two-tiered system is untenable, but they’ve differentiated the tiers that matter to them the most:

    (1) Governing Body

    (2) Everybody else.

    mind blown posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:25:00 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    Thanx for posting Listener.

    Question for anyone please? What is the difference between the Great T and the Armageddon??

    Also, from what the WT qoute I see they are promoting a "rapture" of the anointed....

    jean-luc picard posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:28:41 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    I asked my mother how many partook of the emblems this year. "there must only be a few hundred left" I added.

    I did not get an answer. Perhaps she didnt hear me?

    sd-7 posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:54:22 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    I did not get an answer. Perhaps she didnt hear me?

    Should've used your Patrick Stewart voice.

    --sd-7

    losingit posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 18:02:28 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    When I read that paragraph I immediately though, "WTH ! I thought we didn't believe in the rapture and looked down on other religions for thst belief. " I'm still dumbfounded by that drastic change.

    wolfman85 posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 18:11:56 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    A while back there was a rumor that there would be a change to explain that although the anointed before 1914 are in heaven , the mention of the 144,000 refers only to the end-time anointed from 1914 onwards , but I don't have heard anything like that so far.

    Oubliette posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:20:01 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    JW's now believe in The Rapture

    One of the events mentioned in these verses is the ‘gathering of the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it appears that all anointed ones who still remain on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will at some point be raised to heaven before the outbreak of the battle of Armageddon. - Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 8 (Endnote #2 for Paragraph 8)

    mind blown: Also, from what the WT qoute I see they are promoting a "rapture" of the anointed....

    losingit: When I read that paragraph I immediately though, "WTH ! I thought we didn't believe in the rapture and looked down on other religions for thst belief. " I'm still dumbfounded by that drastic change.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    prologos posted Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:34:14 GMT(7/5/2013)

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    It might not be rapture,

    it might be resurrection,-- because

    the 144 000 rulers with Christ HAVE to be executed for witnessing for JESUS, pardon J-----. Rev.20

    get killed, then resurrected before Armageddon.

    A few on this forum seem to be ready to do the honors.

    The disturbing part is that the resurrected, the immortal Ex GB, Ex Fds members will join the slaying of the billions in the battle, and

    they have us in their cross hairs.

    Hairy.

    not scary

    Crazyguy posted Sat, 06 Jul 2013 02:29:48 GMT(7/6/2013)

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    Simon, their already there, they teach that Jesus only mediates for the 144k and the New Covenant is also only for the 144k and if we the rank and file want salvation (not a gift for us) and to get into the kingdom of God we have to follow and be loyal to them. Hmmm wonder what the bible says about following men????????????

    Julia Orwell posted Sat, 06 Jul 2013 02:41:23 GMT(7/6/2013)

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    Yes Crazyguy, I pointed out to a hardcore JW friend of mine who's well known for knowing every scripture Luke 21 where it says not to go after those who say, 'the appointed time has drawn near..." and he didn't know that one. What the?

    Also, I nearly spat up when I heard the rapture described at the memorial in different words. I nearly flipped. That was my last meeting so I don't know what the JWs thought of that being thrown into the memorial talk like it had always been there.

    NeverKnew posted Sat, 06 Jul 2013 03:16:01 GMT(7/6/2013)

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    From Listener:

    This adjusts what was stated on this subject in “Questions From Readers” in The Watchtower of August 15, 1990, page 30.

    I don't remember seeing notes of correction adjustments in other Watchtowers. How long have they been doing this?

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