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Elders' Password For JW.Org

    M tijkmo posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:22:36 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    does anyone know anything about this ..i heard from family that all letters and latest arrangements are accessible to elders on jw.org but they need to have a password

    wondered if anyelders here could give us it...or will it identify someone?

    Sheep2slaughter posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:29:20 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    The password is traceable but that doesn't really matter. They wouldn't care what docs he is downloading. However, if a password and log in were posted here that user would generate potentially millions of logins and that would set of red flags. We already have everything on there available without compremising ones self.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:37:14 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Try these:

    brownnose
    kneepads
    kiss ass
    one born every minute

    M sir82 posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:09:55 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Each elder's password is different, obviously. They also have unique user names.

    And you heard correctly - BOE letters are no longer sent in the mail, they are just posted online.

    pixel posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:21:51 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Sheep2slaughter,

    What do you mean the password is traceable?

    notjustyet posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:31:48 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    I think that she means that the WTBTS could record which documents were being downloaded by user "x" if they wanted to record that for later review.

    Also they can see if user "x" has logged in 379 times in the last week, where the average user logs in 1 time a week so that would set off a flag that this users account info has been stolen, shared etc.

    I would think also that they could see what Ip address is being used to log into the site so if the user account is being logged in from all over the world it could set off a flag.

    On another note, I believe it is possible for the WTBTS to record the page that a user left just before landing on their site. And if that person log into the site they would be able to link up , for instance, Elder Lurker leaves jwfacts.com and then next logs into jw.org and logs in. I beleive they would be able to put 2 and 2 together and see that Elder Lurker has been checking out Paul Grundys site.

    Even if you do not log into the site, I would think that EVEN visiting JW.org just after leaving any apostate site, even without logging into their site would show that "someone" from Huntsville AL area (IPinfo) left Jehovahswitnessrecovery.com and then landed on JW.org and went to page x, page y, page z etc,..

    They could see the exact page you left and also your history on their site. This info could be sent to the local body of elders to possibly unt a person down.

    Not to scare anyone from lurking, just make sure that you visit a non apostate site just prior to landing on their site.

    Any techies that can confirm or deny this info, I could be wrong about some if not all of it as I have just gleaned this info over the years and am in no way an expert.

    NJY

    pixel posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:39:22 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Oh wow. Thanks for the info NJY. How about using a combination of different browser?

    M RubaDub posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:39:34 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Not to scare anyone from lurking, just make sure that you visit a non apostate site just prior to landing on their site.

    You shouldn't go to ANY site prior to visiting JW dot ORG. Personally, I would download another browser (i.e. Chrome, Firefox or something I wasn't already using) and use that exclusively for JW dot ORG and other "nice" places like news sites (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) that would be typical for the average Dub to use.

    Rub a Dub

    88JM posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:33:38 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Whoa whoa hang on. I think this needs clarifying as this statement could be misunderstood:

    " ...it is possible for the WTBTS to record the page that a user left just before landing on their site "

    The problem is with the phrase "just left", and whether your visit can be recorded or not depends on how you left the previous site. The key phrase here to remember here is "referring links".

    Scenario:

    1. If you visit one site then
    2. Type the address of another site in the address bar of your browser then
    3. The second site cannot tell what the previous site you visited was.

    A website cannot read your entire browsing history of other sites (assuming you are using an up-to-date and secure browser).

    However, what a website can do is read referring links, i.e.:

    1. You click on a direct link to a jw.org on another website, e.g. jwfacts.com or whatever
    2. jw.org can then determine that you were referred to their site by a link from another website, and yes - does also log the IP address of your computer - this is standard practice.
    3. jw.org cannot tell what other pages on the previous site you visited, only the page that contained the link to jw.org.

    If you wish to read further on what data is collected, Google Analytcs has comprehensive information: https://developers.google.com/analytics/resources/concepts/gaConceptsTrackingOverview

    Lore posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:36:04 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Here's what matters if you are an elder and secret apostate:

    Your password is unique.

    If you are Jason Jamerson. When you log into the JW.ORG website and use your password. They know that Jason Jamerson just logged in. They know your IP address.

    They also can tell what website you JUST came from immediately prior to visiting jw.org. Via a link like 88 just said.

    So if they see that IP address 11.11.11.11 just came from www.jws-are-evil.com and then ip address 11.11.11.11 just logged in as Jason Jamerson. Then they can potentionally put 2 and 2 together and realize that Jason Jamerson was visiting www.jws-are-evil.com.

    So if you are an elder and you are going to log into the jw.org website. Be careful what website you just came from.

    88JM posted Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:45:43 GMT(2/22/2013)

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    Just for your curiosity, the WTBTS also has a password policy for logging into jw.org - this is standard practice in I.T.

    As a ministerial servant (who also have access, though more limited and not including BOE letters or congregation files) originally I chose the password "Genesis".

    When I logged in the next time, the system informed me that this password was not allowed - presumably as it is an easy to guess word and very hackable. This would be considered a "weak password". I also tried Genesis typed backwards (sisineG) - this was also disallowed.

    I was pretty much forced to choose a password that was not a word in the dictionary and also that it had to contain numbers as well as letters. I think the minimum length was 7 or 8 characters.

    So for those of you thinking of trying to guess some passwords - which of course I would not endorse - then you should put down your Oxford English or Websters dictionary and start mashing the keyboard instead. Alternatively, if the phrase "rainbow tables" means anything to you, then you're way ahead anyway...

    notjustyet posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:58:09 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    Please don't think of using "Beth-sarim-1874" as a password,.. Not a good idea,..

    Want to guess how any elders thought that "1914" was their own special idea.

    NJY

    F FlyingHighNow posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:10:37 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    brownnose
    kneepads
    kiss ass
    one born every minute

    You made me laugh out loud and nearly spit my drink. I think it was the kneepads that did it. Thank you for the laugh, OTWO.

    villagegirl posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:11:21 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    You do know you can hide your IP address ? Even Google will not recognize you. HMA and other such services will fool facebook and any search engine by assigning you a remote IP in a different country.

    F FlyingHighNow posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:11:32 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    tijkmo, I haven't seen you here in such a long time. Hello.

    MrFreeze posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:17:35 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    Just try the password "password".

    M Jeffro posted Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:46:41 GMT(2/23/2013)

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    Was about to type a longer response about referring links.

    But I'll shorten it to... what 88JM said.

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