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    Hortensia posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:21:14 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    It's interesting that I don't see as much comment on the shooting of the volunteer firemen earlier today as we saw for the shooting at the school in Connecticut. It's just as horrible an event. How terrible that these volunteers who got out of bed to fight a fire, dangerous enough, were used as targets by some nut with an assault weapon. People there must be very very angry and upset, although it's overshadowed by the previous shooting.

    And now Piers Morgan is taking the heat from NRA types who are trying to deny him his first-amendment rights to call for legislation to control assault weapons.

    Of course, banning big weapons isn't the only answer. Who is going to take away all the ones that are out there now? And what about mental health issues? What about the question of identifying people who might become very dangerous and trying to work with them and their families?

    Also, I did like the idea of having some folks on school campuses carrying concealed weapons, sort of like air marshals. Only no one should know who is carrying a concealed weapon, and that person should have extensive training for the possibility of attacks like the one in Connecticut.

    I'm babbling. But these shootings are very upsetting, and it seems no one really knows what to do about it.

    cantleave posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:24:19 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    Besty wrote a post about this tragic shooting earlier.

    M Simon posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:24:30 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    Yes, the NRA and it's supporters really show their true colors and how UNPATRIOTIC they are when they want to trample over people's FIRST amendment rights to get their SECOND amendment rights. I think this should discount any arguments that they use based on the 2nd amendment if they HATE AMERICA so much that they are willing to abandon the consitution.

    There's a reason they are in that order.

    M moshe posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:28:17 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    Another mentally ill person , who already killed before, was released from prison and killed again. At least with Charles Manson, they knew enough to keep him in prison to protect the public.

    Marvin Shilmer posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:28:53 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    “There's a reason they are in that order.”

    And that reason is?

    To many Americans there are some things more important that life.

    Marvin Shilmer

    M sooner7nc posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:38:25 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    There is no attempt to deny his 1st amendment rights. The NRA and it's supporters are simply usijg their 1st amendment rights (by way of a petition which you Libs seem to love) to send him back where he belongs for trampling their 2nd amendment rights. Of course that won't fit your view and the owner of this site will probably call me stupid.

    It's true none the less.

    designs posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:51:39 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    How is Piers Morgan's calling our current easy access to guns and ammo stupid trampling on our 2nd Amendment.

    M sooner7nc posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:55:15 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    He has a captive audience who's ability to think on their own is highly suspect in my opinion. Also, how is "Get the F*** out of the US" considered infringement on free speech? He can run his head as easily eating fish and chips in London as he can here.

    designs posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:58:53 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    'He has a captive audience' damn those channel changers are hard to figure out.

    EmptyInside posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 03:58:25 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    I felt awful when I heard of these fireman being shot at the scene of the fire. The crazy man who shot them,had killed his grandmother with a hammer many years ago. How did he get out of jail? He should have been put away forever.

    It's just horrible,this senseless violence,and now,more families are left to mourn their loved ones.

    BigE posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 04:07:26 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    speeches about patriotism from someone who left his own monarchy to come to candia are hollow. As are speeches about patriotism from someone who dosent live in the country under discussion. As are speeches about patriotism from someone who dosent like free speech to begin with. I could go on but its all so redundant....

    Hortensia posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 04:23:42 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    well, clearly this is a subject that starts people ranting. I'd just like to hear some ideas -- what to do? I am not opposed to guns myself, but there is really something going wrong here. Too many guns. Too little mental health care. Poor economy makes it difficult to keep people in prison -- and I don't really know what might work.

    Anyone here actually have any ideas or are you just going to piss on each other's positions as usual?

    NewChapter posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 04:25:31 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    Oh, I think there is always enough money to keep people in prison. Just never enough to keep them out.

    M Simon posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 05:52:17 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    If you face retribution or other action because of 'free speech' ... then you don't really have free speech at all.

    Political debate is where you should be able to say what you think without fear of censure.

    The concept died a little under Bush.

    Finkelstein posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 07:08:01 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    American patriotism ....

    BigE posted Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:45:05 GMT(12/25/2012)

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    "If you face retribution or other action because of 'free speech' ... then you don't really have free speech at all.

    Political debate is where you should be able to say what you think without fear of censure."


    Irony at its finest.

    i would also add that true freedom of speech involves being able to call out those in authority for their own poor behaviour without fear of retribution

    TonyT posted Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:42:14 GMT(12/26/2012)

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    Freedom of speech does not mean that we are immune from the consequences of our statements, just that the government is not involved. when an intoxicated Jimmy the Greek made some racial statements on camera, years ago, his career was over.

    None of us have the right to not be offended.

    sammielee24 posted Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:54:05 GMT(12/26/2012)

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    All this - send home Piers because he's a Brit and has no reason to be in the USA. My goodness. Piers has a US born daughter that would make her a citizen of the country no? The man makes millions of dollars a year and is a journalist who happens to have gotten a contract in the USA. He has every right to be in the USA and as part of his job, he is entitled to speak about the news - it's his job. You think he should leave his daughter behind and go back to England and broadcast the same information there and it will make it all better? That's simply juvenile thinking. One click and the channel is changed - no need to watch if you don't want. All this stupidity about a petition to toss him out - you have American celebrities all over the world getting into poltics in all other countries so unless you sign a petition forcing all of those journalists and celebrities back to the USA, one tends to believe that this is just hot air.

    If you don't like what he says, or if you don't believe what he says, then what in heavens name makes you think that your journalists reporting from other countries or debating in other countries aren't doing the same things elsewhere? It's not a big deal. He's a worker in the USA like a few million other workers - thank goodness he's a white English guy because if he were another culture and had another face and the subject were something like guns and mosques - well - we can see the petition would be a lot bigger than 60,000 signatures.

    People need to stop listening to all the angry, ranting talk show hosts who keep blathering on about these things - there is one who I believe actually started the petition and is very prould of that - if only his listeners were able to understand that keeping people tuned in and ramping up their anger, is just a way to justify his income. Piers really means nothing to this debate - his is infotainment like Fox and other 'news' shows - it's all opinion and geared to sensationalize. He doesn't like the US gun laws but not once has he said a total gun ban should be in force - petitioning to get him out of the USA just shows how great the insecurity is in not being able to have a civil conversation about the issue with anyone - even a man whose daughter is by birth a US citizen and thus giving him a RIGHT to voice that opinion. sammiesw

    TonyT posted Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:26:34 GMT(12/26/2012)

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    I'm no longer able to listen to angry, ranting talk show hosts now that progressive talk has been replaced by a third sports talk station in my area.


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