What is Nothing? A Mental Construct?

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    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:25:38 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing

    http://science.discovery.com/tv/through-the-wormhole/episodes/season-three/what-is-nothing.html

    braincleaned posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:30:29 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    Yep - "Nothing" does not exist. The elements of the Universe have always been, as Quantum Physics now show. Some may call it god - I call it nature.

    Satanus posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:34:26 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    'When you think about nothing, does that make it something? Can there ever be such a thing as nothing? Physicists regard the true nature of nothingness as one of the biggest mysteries of the Universe. And now their work to try to understand what "Nothing" really is may finally uncover what our Cosmos is made of, how it came from nothing 13.7 billion years ago, and when it might collapse into a purely empty void once again.

    Einstein showed us that empty space was really a force field that holds the entire universe together with gravity. Quantum Mechanics predicts that empty space is not actually empty.'

    Yah, except that they still make the ASSumption that it came from nothing and will return to nothing. What proof do they have of that? The writer doesn't seem to know about m-theory, membrane theory. The universe doesn't come from nothing, it comes from a potential. Potential is a little different than nothing.

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    Theocratic Sedition posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:36:36 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    Great question. It hurts my head when I think too long about it. Its like I'm pushing my thoughts where I ought not.

    Satanus posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:52:40 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    'According to the concept of world cycles, which involve time frames longer than most of us can contemplate, the universe as a whole goes through cycles of emergence from "nothing" followed ultimately by reabsorbsion back into "nothing". In Hindu cosmology this process is referred to as the days of Brahma.

    I find this an extremely profound concept at the universal or macrocosmic level, especially in as much as it provides a highly philosophic backdrop for the "Big Bang" theory - which can then be described, in this context, as a "Dawn Of Brahma".'

    Not that i'm hindu. But, these ideas were already existing within their worldview for thousands of yrs. Their terms are different, but the ideas expressed are similar.

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    King Solomon posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:54:53 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    Yeah, it's goes the point as to why creationists have such a hard time wrapping their head around the question of who made matter? Who says it had to have a maker, or be "made"?

    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:55:44 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    I'm of the opinion in order to have nothing you have to have it's opposite something.

    Why should thier be something from nothing but who makes this so, there is no law that says thier should only be nothing.The psyches makes imaginary laws for how the world works quantum discoveries tell us empty space is teaming with stuff, so what is nothing did we come out of nothing or was something there allways time a quazi-nothing/something

    Satanus posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:59:13 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    Yes, quasi-something. In hindu thought, brahman. They (hindus) don't know what it is. But, some of their 'holy men' claim to contemplate it. Endless descriptions of it come up.

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    Satanus posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:02:07 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    You could use the digital analogy; something - 'nothing', 1 - 0, on - off, yin - yang. Balance and oscillation. The potential is balanced. It is unable to stay perfectly balanced and oscillates, instead. It's a bit like the random brownian movement.

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    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:58:52 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_wright_show/2012/01/17/lawrence_krauss_author_of_a_universe_from_nothing_explains_what_nothing_is_.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdLAN18CSDE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbRvHbtB9AQ

    EntirelyPossible posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:29:02 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    Yah, except that they still make the ASSumption that it came from nothing and will return to nothing. What proof do they have of that? The writer doesn't seem to know about m-theory, membrane theory. The universe doesn't come from nothing, it comes from a potential. Potential is a little different than nothing.

    It's adorable when you capitalize ASS in assumption. I say it's adorable because you act as if you are the only one that knows about your pet hypothesis and somehow think it's something physicists haven't read about or thought of. It's even more adorable because, from your post, you clearly have no idea what is meant by nothing.

    Try reading a book with nothing in the title every now and then. For fuck's sake, the book only came out a year ago. If you are going to criticize anyone for not keeping up with ideas, criticize yourself.

    Satanus posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:27:13 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    I was going by the two refernces in his first post. I'm getting into the second one, now. I thought it was a bunch of youtubes. Didn't notice the about the book.

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    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:02:49 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

    Jaime l de Aragon posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:20:05 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG-lsrXKRM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeRoEBvBL4Y&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcfAvzzsDSE

    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:55:31 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/the-physics-of-nothing/

    http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/30973/what-is-meant-by-nothing-in-physics-quantum-mechanicsqm

    http://www.astrosociety.org/pubs/mercury/31_02/nothing.html

    http://bigthink.com/dr-kakus-universe/can-a-universe-create-itself-out-of-nothing

    M frankiespeakin posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:14:50 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNbXjBbzEo

    M slimboyfat posted Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:21:11 GMT(10/21/2012)

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    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/134324/1/Nothing

    Satanus posted Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:53:24 GMT(10/22/2012)

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    Ok, i got krauss's book on nothing. I jumped to the chapter that seemed like it might be the crux, chapter 4 'much ado about nothing'. Got about half way through it, not much about 'nothing'. Got bored/impatient. I downloaded his almost hour long speach being hosted by richard dawkins. Got through that. Turns out the 'nothing' that fills or makes up empty space is dark matter and dark energy. Well, thtat's old news. The 'nothing' that preexisted the universe is quantum fluxuation. Ok.

    I'll give the guy one thing, though, he sure can talk fast. Also, he knows how to entertain. He spices it up w light hearted joking.

    Enjoy, mr entirely possible.

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    00DAD posted Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:02:55 GMT(10/22/2012)

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    Nothing is worth talking about!

    M frankiespeakin posted Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:11:31 GMT(10/22/2012)

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    We will have to redefine our definitions of nothing, empty space, and a complete vaacum in order to make a universe out of nothing because there is no such thing as total nothing, even the quantum defintion of empty space is not really "nothing" and has more energy than the mass that makes up the rest of the universe.

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