Watchtower says Dos and Don'ts are out

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    M ozziepost posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:50:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Among the latest instructions to the rank and file Witnesses is this one:

    "Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible." (The Watchtower - issue of April 15,2002, page 22, para 15)

    It's anticipated that scores of rules and regulations formerly applied in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses will be erased.

    Well, you'd be justified in coming to that conclusion, wouldn't you?

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

    M Amazing posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:57:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Hey Ozzie: Thanks for that quote. I am going to place it on my profile ... this is priceless to have because JWs then cannot argue against this when trying to defend the many rules and regulations codified by the Watchtower Society.

    Satanus posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:57:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Ozzie

    You are running ahead of jehovahs chariot like org again by actually enterpreting their words yourself. Don't you know that you aren't qualified to do that? How presumptuous to assume that they really meant what they said. It's no wonder you didn't remain in there;)

    SS

    M dmouse posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:01:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    "Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible." (The Watchtower - issue of April 15,2002, page 22, para 15)

    This statement is completely meaningless.

    The dos and donts of the JW religion will continue unabated.
    Their rules are 'based on bible principles'. For example, sisters DO NOT wear short skirts because it goes against the bible principle of being modest.

    M Francois posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:13:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Seems I remember they applied "bible principles" when they CAME UP WITH all the present rules and regs.

    I want to see them wiggle around their facial hair regs.

    I was told I could no longer be a reader during the WT study because I did not meet the elder's "platform regulations" 'cause of my well trimmed, clean, and in my opinion, handsome beard. When I asked where they got the authority, they said it wasn't a biblical injunction, it was organizational, I asked, "where is the scripture that gives you the right to enforce your private organizational rules when the bible was silent on the issue."

    That question they couldn't answer. Nor could they answer all the follow-on questions, corollaries, and other stuff where there's no wiggle room. They followed up that my conscience would have to give way to the conscience of the body of elders. (remember the scripture about eating meat that had been sacrificed to idols?) When I asked the scriptural backup for that, they had no answer either. "Be seein' ya," I said. That was almost 30 years ago. This should be fun.

    Francois

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    M doinmypart posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:13:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    In the past WTS has printed that there is no room for human standards, personal ideas imposed on others, yada yada yada. But for some reason this doesn't seem ever be applied. Elders still get on the platform or call somebody into the backroom and express their opinion. If one has a differing opinion they feel as if that person is not a "spiritual man".

    I agree w/you Ozzie, I would like to see all of the unwritten rules go out the door. I think the bros & sis would appreciate it as well. It seems as if they (we) are all simply tired and weighed down. Something has got to give!

    M ozziepost posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:20:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    It's not just the unwritten rules; the written ones are many and varied. How many times have you seen a speaker give a talk with a bound volume on the speaker's stand? Why? Because that's where the rules are! He couldn't read them from the Bible, so he has to rely on a big brown book.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

    Scully posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:26:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    I wonder if the first "rule" to go will be mandatory field service and meeting attendance....

    and then reporting time and placements to the WTS

    Then there's the dress code.... I'd like to see sisters wearing pant-suits to meetings and in service (if they even continue going)

    and the "car code"

    and the "rule" about disagreeing with the WTS

    and the other "rule" about shunning

    and the one about .....

    there's a HUGE list, so let's get started

    Love, Scully

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    F yumbby posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:51:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    They say they are going to throw out the dos and don'ts, but in a very recent post where a letter to the elders was posted, they sure had some very specific do's and don'ts. Dont' talk to a sister on the phone, dont meet with her alone etc. etc.

    F pandora posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:00:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Don't have enjoyable sex with your spouse.

    M TR posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:02:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    WOW. Doublespeak at it's finest.

    TR- UADNA

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    bjc2012 posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:07:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    "Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible." (The Watchtower - issue of April 15,2002, page 22, para 15)

    This, I believe, is the way the above statement is meant to be understood:

    "Following Bible principles, you, the rank and file, will avoid trying to set extensive and rigid rules of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible for yourselves and others to live by, as that is our, your leadership's, prerogative."

    bjc

    M DakotaRed posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:17:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    The "we" in that article obviously only applies to the R&F. They don't want them applying do's and don'ts on each other.

    Remember, as an elder once told me, "to properly understand the Watchtower, you need to read between the lines."

    The article looks to me like they, the GB, are getting ready to clamp down even harder on the poor saps who can't think for themselves.

    If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

    AvailableLight posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:39:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Oz,

    Was this in a study article?

    Imbue posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:32:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Among the latest instructions to the rank and file Witnesses is this one:
    "Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible." (The Watchtower - issue of April 15,2002, page 22, para 15)

    It's anticipated that scores of rules and regulations formerly applied in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses will be erased.

    Ozzie it's so strange that you keep posting subjects I've been discussing for years. I've seen the principle concept being introduced somewhat in the WT instructions but then they revert back to do not do this or do not do that. I think that a list of shoulds and should nots is straight from Babylon The problem is their are so many untreated adult children of alcoholic parents in the JW congs that all they know is how to be harsh and judgmental. It is a sickness.

    It's mostly the individuals behavior. I see that many want a list of should/should nots it's the level they are on. An example would be: The Wt society suggests that married couples should not take separate vacations. A sister in the audience writes down DO NOT take separate vacations Is this her fault or has she been conditioned by Babylon inside and out of the org. We're instructed not to rebel or make our own decisions. Men can't even decide whether to have a beard or not. It's up to the local elders.

    I do hope principles are the way JWs go it would be cleaning out more of Babylon.

    I've even discussed this subject with a WT lawyer in our cong. He's actually not that bad he's advocated for sisters that have been abused in our cong This is my issue with the WT but implementing this into the cong is impossible. They would need to be hit over the head repeatedly

    Note my name imbue means principles. After considerable thought and discussion of this subject it was a natural choice.

    Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    anewperson posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:21:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Some of your posts of late seem to offer the idea that there will be true reforms if we only wait.... and wait..... and wait... and wait.

    That is not and will not happen. When the skin of an old wine bag is ruined you toss it away for patches won't hold.

    M zev posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:40:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    "Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible." (The Watchtower - issue of April 15,2002, page 22, para 15)

    what a load of cow flappers.

    what about all the UNWRITTEN do's and don'ts?

    what about the extreme pressure put on its members to conform? to be good lemmings and follow the UNWRITTEN do's and don'ts?

    what about what you suffer because of the way your treated as a person who see's it differently, and when you follow your own road, and thoughts, beliefs, practices, what of the way they are instructed, even if it isn't WRITTEN, to treat you?

    good thing i wear boots.

    the cow flappers are gaining speed and depth.

    -Zev
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    Imbue posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:49:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    anewsperson who are you talking to? Me! If you are then you don't have a clue what I think or believe. Get a life please!

    I'm a realist I know the WT will go on with or without me. I'm not delusional like someone here.

    Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    F LDH posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:56:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    Isn't this article kind of like "Honest Abe's Used Car Lot?"

    If it is the way they say it is, why do they feel the need to state it?

    Does this mean that individual JWs will be free to:

    SMOKE
    VOTE
    TAKE BLOOD
    CELEBRATE HOLIDAYS

    etc etc etc?

    HELL NO. This is a *quote* that JWs will show to "interested persons" so that they will SEE!!!! that JWs worship God in SPIT spirit and truth!

    Nothing more. This article won't change a damn thing the rank and file JW does.

    Lisa

    singsongboi posted Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:06:00 GMT(3/19/2002)

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    they are saying it again?

    i can remember in the dim past (i think it may have been about mid-60's, there was a series of WT's and study articles that discussed thinking in terms of the principles and not LAWS..

    it suggested that much of life was 'gray' rather than 'black & white'...

    looking back, i do not think that r & f understood it, (well? how much study material is actually understood anyway?)...& i doan think that the r & f wqnted to have to think about the principle.

    the thinking in principle campaign faailed!

    when a WT finally announced the end of that period ( well, not in so many words, but more likely emphasising the role of LAW in the lives of jws) a sister who was a really good friend, and quite capable of thinking for herself, told me - "i'm so glad that's over, and we are going back to black & white things (right and wrong) - it was so difficult to have to think things out."

    so really, i think that maybe that's the organisation that many want a controlling one. that's why they stay!

    so it's not new light ozzie, just another twist and turn!!!!!!!

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