Finland: move to reinstate national service for JWs

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    behemot posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:41:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Move to reinstate national service for Jehovah’s Witnesses

    Defence Committee chair Jussi Niinistö says the preferential treatment granted to Jehovah’s Witnesses is difficult to rationalise to other conscientious objectors.

    Jehovan todistajien valtakunnansali A Kingdom Hall is a place of worship used by Jehovah's Witnesses. Image: YLE

    Jussi Niinistö, who chairs Parliament’s Defence Committee, is demanding that the military service exemption granted to the Jehovah’s Witnesses be abolished. Members of the Christian denomination were exempted from the compulsory national service in 1987.

    “A special exemption from military service granted to one religious group is unfair towards others,” Niinistö stated in a formal query submitted to the cabinet on Monday.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse military service as a matter of religious conviction, but Niinistö points out that a number of countries do not allow Jehovah's Witnesses to skip military duty for this reason.

    Last year, former Defence Minister Stefan Wallin called for Jehovah's Witnesses to take part in non-military national service.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses and residents of the autonomous Åland Islands are the only groups exempted from carrying out military service.

    Some 20,000 people are members of Jehovah’s Witness congregations in Finland.

    source: http://yle.fi/uutiset/move_to_reinstate_national_service_for_jehovahs_witnesses/6263512

    M smiddy posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:09:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Well they will probably do what they did in Mexico , pay a bribe to the officials to obtain a certificate stating they have done so.

    smiddy

    Diest posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:44:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Id bet in finland they will make them work or go to jail...

    InquiryMan posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:19:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    It will probably make no problem whatsoever as witnesses no longer object to civilian service which is normally a duty given to those who object to compulsury military service.

    breakfast of champions posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:29:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Good thing they're still represented as an NGO at the OSCE conferences. It's nice to have an "ad hoc organization under the United Nations" swoop down and rescue your religious freedoms.

    Those wild beasts of Revelation come in pretty handy while Jehovah's Celestial Chariot is in the shop.

    M RubaDub posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:54:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    It will probably make no problem whatsoever as witnesses no longer object to civilian service

    Inquiry ...

    Very true. It has been that way for, I'm just guessing, 25 years or so.

    So they will simply have the option of working in a hospital or some other form of community service.

    Rub a Dub

    F blondie posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:33:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Remember though it is the WTS definition of alternative/civilian service which does not always match the government's definition. The WTS has eased up but it has not been applied by the WTS in all countries equally.

    Kaiser posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:54:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    "It will propably make no problem whatsoever as witnesses no longer object to civilian service"

    Actually it will be problem. It´s not permitted for jw cause civilian service is under military supervision. Or so one elder told me(lied).

    I know many brothers who are in "the truth" just because without it, they would have to go military/civilian service.

    M BluesBrother posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:07:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    The above is true....As far as I know, it is permitted to do something else entirely from the millitary, but not to be a part of the millitary organization, doing alternative work......

    Perhaps instead all the families with young males will move to The Aland Islands ?

    M RubaDub posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:14:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Remember though it is the WTS definition of alternative/civilian service which does not always match the government's definition.

    Blondie ...

    Good point. I was thinking in terms of alternative service here in the US which can have absolutely no connection to the military. If the only options were to work in a factory making military uniforms or some other type of indirect military support, then yes, it would be a problem.

    If that were indeed the case, then it gets reported as persecution and a sign that the end is near ... you know drill.

    Rub a Dub

    Scott77 posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:19:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    marked

    Scott77 posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:19:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    marked

    dreamgolfer posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:23:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    My neo-politico feeling is.....drumroll please

    Finland is in the EU,

    EU protects everyone , every religion, every country

    Finland will have to abandon it's desire to make JW do "Service" or risk being sanctioned by EU

    JW lawyers in EUROLAND will se to it in Brussells

    Note, I am not a an attorney, or lawyer, just a practical guy

    These opinions are expressed by one who is just getting over a cold (cough cough)

    Kaiser posted Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:38:00 GMT(8/22/2012)

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    Yeah but the joke is: civilian service in Finland doesn´t have connection to military. It is under ministry of employment supervision.

    But elder i asked it about told me otherwise: civilian service is under military supervision and so it´s against jehovah´s principles. You cannot do any kind of of alternative service, ie. working in hospital, school, etc.

    However, officer of employment agency told me its absolutely false information.

    Well lied elders :)

    Most of the people cannot flee to Aland as people there speak swedish and it´s quite impossible to live there without knowing language. :D

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