So ... what happens when we die?

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    M sacolton posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:49:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    What do you personally believe happens after we die?

    As for me, I consider myself an Agnostic-Christian. I don't believe we really know everything about God or the Afterlife. I do believe that we do transform to something beyond our physical comprehension. Perhaps a spirit ... or something that unites everything together. Einstein said energy can not be created or destroyed - it can only be transformed to one form or another. That's a comforting thought.

    What do you think?

    cofty posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:51:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Our existance will be the same as it was before our concepetion. If our consciousness is zero under anaesthetic how will it suvive the destruction of our brains?

    M ldrnomo posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:05:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Everything on this planet is made from dirt, the elements of the earth. When we die, I suspect we return back to those elements and those elements go on to become something else, usually some type of vegetation.

    This is the only thing I'm factually sure happens to us when we "bite the dust"

    M sacolton posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:06:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Check this out ...

    http://www.skeptiko.com/154-neurosurgeon-dr-eben-alexander-near-death-experience/

    James Brown posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:11:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    I also consider myself an agnostic and I read the bible.

    The bible leads me to believe faith in Jesus will lead to my eternal security.

    But there is the agnostic part, I have recently come across the author Michael cremo, he shows ancient picutures of

    men with dinosuars, he presents evidence of mens skelletons burried in millions of year old veins of coal,

    which would make men existence on earth in the millions of years and would questions mens understanding of

    evolution.

    Looking at the evidence from Michael Cremos published view would make me consider that we reincarnate from time to time.

    So I guess to keep it simple I believe in Jesus, which requires faith.

    When I try to defend my faith and do research, the research takes me to 2 places.

    1, Godless evolutionary atheism, which I see and understand the arguments for, but to me that is a dead end.

    2, Wanting something more positive and hopeful, I have stumbled on the hindu traditions of reincarnation, and the documented

    and historical evidences that Michael Cremo has presented.

    M ldrnomo posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:16:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    interesting

    talesin posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Here's what I know. My body will be harvested for transplant, then donated to science.

    If there's anything else that happens, it is a complete unknown. And I'm fine with that.

    tal

    cofty posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:25:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    James Brown - You will enjoy this review of Cremo's theories at Talk Origins

    Godless evolutionary atheism, which I see and understand the arguments for, but to me that is a dead end. - JB

    Why do you say that?

    M Qcmbr posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:34:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Dr Eben ..is ...selling...a...book.

    scotoma posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:41:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Knowing that when I die that's the end of me makes me resent all the more that I wasted the best years of my life in the JW loop.

    Some people aren't going to do much with their life so for them religion is a comforting way to pass the time.

    If a person has the Promethean spark then Epimethean ideologies will gnaw out their liver.

    James Brown posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:43:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    James Brown - You will enjoy this review of Cremo's theories at Talk Origins

    Godless evolutionary atheism, which I see and understand the arguments for, but to me that is a dead end. - JB

    Why do you say that?

    I know he is a hindu, but I have seen his ancient pictures of men and dinosaurs. I have heard him explain

    how he had his human skelleton found in a vein of coal dated.

    I'm just looking for the truth.

    Why do I say Godless evolutionary atheism is a dead end? Because to me it is.

    I am 60 years old, I've been to a lot of rodeos. I want something more than nothing after my last rodeo.

    Regardless I examine and weigh evidence and I am listening to Michael Cremos evidence for the next month or so.

    No one in this dimension can be absolutely certain what is on the other side, My wiring causes me to look for something

    optomisitc.

    James Brown posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:47:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Cofty: If you are trying to show me something negative about Cremo, my server here in Florida doesnt take me there.

    No matter what you believe or examine there always somebody saying its not so.

    Many times there is a vested interest at stake.

    cofty posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:50:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    I am 60 years old, I've been to a lot of rodeos. I want something more than nothing after my last rodeo.

    I want a lot of things but we are constrained by reality.

    Why not spend a few hours reading the links on the page I suggested before you get too enchanted by Cremo.

    cofty posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:52:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Many times there is a vested interest at stake.

    Indeed!

    If the link isn't working got o TalkOrigins and search. Its crammed with evidence.

    James Brown posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:58:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Cofty I dont see anything on their refuting the human skeleton found in the vein of coal dated millions of years old.

    And I dont see anything refuting the anciet painting of men and dinosaurs.

    I do find a lot of broken links.

    talesin posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:59:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    scotoma

    Knowing that when I die that's the end of me makes me resent all the more that I wasted the best years of my life in the JW loop.

    You can let go of the bitter feelings - I've been there.

    Look for daily blessings: drink in a beautiful sunset, or listen to a robin singing its heart out to you, just as the sky begins to lighten, and know it's always darkest before the dawn. Take a few moments to bend down and really look at that beautiful flower that is springing up between the cracks in the pavement.

    Spread a little joy - put a smile on the face of the grocery store clerk who looks tired and out of sorts; feed the birds. Pay it forward, and the universe will pay you back.

    xo

    tal

    James Brown posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:01:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    I loged on to talk origins and its browser will not let me search michael cremo either.

    I want to know about Michael Cremo. I know what the evolutionist and atheist say about evolution

    and atheism.

    Messerschmitt posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:02:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    I guess all the people who don't believe that the body is Spirit, the only way you will find out is when you die.

    M THE GLADIATOR posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:03:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    Death is leaving Jehovah's-Witness.net. Some reincarnate onto other forums to start the cycle again.

    Others have advanced to a point where they no longer need a discussion forum to survive and float off into cyberspace.

    itscrap&theyknowit! posted Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:08:00 GMT(6/28/2012)

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    @SCOTOMA - I agree. Total resentment. I HOPE that there will be a resurrection to see our loved ones, again. When my dad got to his final weeks

    with his cancer, it pained him (and us) that he HAD to die...that we would be w/out him as this LIFE goes on. He was angry. Many family members

    have died before him who had served Jehovah and still, after his 66 years on this earth, for the struggle to live as this organization wants us to live.....no "end" in sight for the New World.

    It pains me to see how many years have passed since creation. People continue to die, natural events (floods, pestilence, hurricanes, tornadoes,

    tsunamis, earthquakes, portions of the earth falling into the sea never to be inhabited.....) it's like a continious horrible acceptance of what we call

    "LIFE".... is this REALLY all that we have?

    To be killed or die at a young from a car accident or cancer of some sort? And a "LOVING" god is "okay" with this?? I don't get it.

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