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First Aid @ the D.C.s -- could direction from Society cause them a lawsuit?

    tresdecu posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 17:52:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    I posted about something similar 3 years ago when I first joined. Even though my attendance hasn't been great the last year or so, I was asked to help my bro in law in first aid this year at the convention.

    To make a long story short, the society has printed instructions for attendants to NOT cal 911 for an emergency. They are supposed to call attendants first.

    If a heart attack or strock patient died because, the bystander did not call 911 could the society be liable??

    designs posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:02:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    Now that you've brought it up and with the Wt. company lurkers they can kiss First Aid good bye.

    M wha happened? posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:03:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    well the instructions will be burned, because they made themselves liable with that written direction. Wanna scan and post those instructions?

    2tone posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:09:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    They would be liable 110%.

    baltar447 posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:38:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    What posseses them to give this kind of assinine direction?

    ex360shipper posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:44:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    If I am not mistaken, they print this in the KM as well. I have always thought this was stupid myself. If I see someone get seriously hurt, particularly if it looks like a stroke or something I know that seconds matter and I am not going to wonder around looking for first aid to see if they have a $%#ing band-aid. I'm gonna call 911.

    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb posted Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:45:00 GMT(4/14/2012)

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    If I saw someone having serious trouble, or get hurt, I'd be the first one to dial 911; when someone is having any sort of major medical issue seconds, not minutes, matter.

    And yes I think it will only take one small problem to toss these poor instructions right out the window; they are liable if someone does not get the medical care needed because attendees were told (directly by mother) not to call 911 and seek immediate help.

    M wha happened? posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:29:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    anyone have a scan?

    cyberjesus posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:42:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    What posseses them to give this kind of assinine direction?

    ahhhh GOd talks to them.... remember?

    Nice_Dream posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:28:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    Right, I think I remember hearing about this. They didn't want too many people calling 911, and sometimes an ambulance was called that wasn't needed and it was an expense. If they are so concerned about money, they should have properly trained First Aid attendants there, not trainees.

    I know 3 brothers who were Ambulance attendants by profession, and because they weren't "spiritual enough," they were not asked to be first aid attendants at the conventions. They even offered and were declined. Instead, young JWs with little experience were in charge. I remember going to the First Aid section and got a deer in headlights response from the young adults working there.

    Fortunately, I think family members of someone in a medical emergency would call 911 instead of relying on the attendants...at least I hope so!

    ex360shipper posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:02:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    mind blown posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 02:59:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    Yes.

    That was an important issue that was brought up in Michael Jacksons case. His so called doctore waited and called someone else before calling 911. I know for a question, there's been other cases as well but I can't remember them off hand.

    Even in first aid/cpr classes they "stress" calling 911 first, then begin cpr or first aid.

    ptt7000 posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:26:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    finally awake posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:36:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    I understand the frustration of the ambulance service when they receive a dozen calls for the same emergency. Too many looky-loos and nosey parkers who ought to just stay out of the way. However, telling people not to call, even in a true emergency, is dangerous and irresponsible.

    ssn587 posted Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:06:00 GMT(4/15/2012)

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    Band on the Run posted Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:49:00 GMT(4/16/2012)

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    I am shocked. How incredibly stupid and arrogant! I've said before that I think their lawyers are suspect. You can't be a good dub and a good lawyer.

    In NYC, people don't hesitate to call 911. Maybe some people will announce that they;ve already called 911 so add'l people don't tie up the lines. Here in rural PA, people are reluctant. My local laundromat has numerous fires. Well, I am not a fire expert. I can't tell how advanced it is or know how to make certain it has ended. I dial 911 and the crowd insults me. Well, I don't want a catstrophe on my hands. To make certain I was doing the right thing I called the local fire department and a NY firefighter. I was told I was 100% right and to never hesitate.

    They seem reluctant to realize that govt. is needed. First responders are essential. Will all fire disappear after Armageddon?

    The 911 dispatcher is trained and paid to prioritize items. J dubs are not trained. Oh, the horror. A JW down at a convention. Interrupting horrid prophecies. I am certain Witnesses have died at the convention. Literally, not just from boredom.

    Their liability will depend on state law. Imagine the PR debacle if someone dies or is hurt more b/c of inaction. Keep the people busy.

    ex360shipper posted Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:45:00 GMT(4/16/2012)

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    Band on the run -- I am pretty sure about 5 years ago a kid died at a convention. He either fell from a high section down or down a flight of stairs. I know I was an attendant the year after that and they were CRAZY at the attendant meeting with how they wanted us to be on the watch and all the rules they needed us to make sure were being followed.

    They still were focused on stupid stuff like ONLY USE ONE PAPER TOWEL WHEN YOU WASH YOUR HANDS!

    Jah is watching to make sure you are faithful in what is least!

    M JeffT posted Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:24:00 GMT(4/16/2012)

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    Do JW's have an allergic reaction to common sense? If you seen some sort of emergency call 911. If there are a bunch of other people around, ask if anybody else made the call. If no one did, make the call. If somebody already made the call, don't call again. How hard is that?

    One time may neighbor's house caught fire. I called 911 as soon as they figured it out, 911 politely told me they'd already been called and I got off the line. Again, how hard is that?

    M wha happened? posted Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:51:00 GMT(4/16/2012)

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    oh boo hoo so 3 paramedics show up instead of one. What's the alternative?

    Lied2NoMore posted Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:13:00 GMT(4/16/2012)

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    Yea I have the same concern over this often announced restriction

    Hopefully one day someone is delayed treatment, and sues their asses off for such a negligent policy and puts a huge dent in the real estate scam coffers..Er..worldwide fund..

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