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55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
blondie
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55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 02:39:00 GMT
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![]() Post 33886 of 36384 Since 5/28/2001 |
My husband and I had a nice visit with Frank Toth at Grace Gough's home. It was great. He has written a few things. His work keeps him busy though. HI FRANK 55 reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses will never be reformed |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:02:00 GMT
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Post 6543 of 7431 Since 8/10/2011 |
That is a good list of the bad things the JWs do. I have not seen a list before. Good work. Thank you for sharing it. It is hard to imagine that telling the truth has become the worst apostasy from the point of view of the Watchtower Society. "Walking in the truth" they ARE NOT. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 03:19:00 GMT
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Post 51 of 95 Since 1/8/2012 |
Thanks. It summarizes all the sins that the WTS committed. I wonder what would happen to the people if one day the WTS just fall/closed... I pray for Armageddon for WTS to come very soon. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 05:00:00 GMT
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Post 9552 of 13111 Since 4/8/2009 |
Marking... Excellent list!! |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 06:00:00 GMT
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QueenslandPost 1027 of 2538 Since 3/30/2007 |
That is a great list which I think will appeal to many of us here who are of different opinions,eg.beleivers /non beleivers/atheists /agnostics/etc. Having said that, the list # of importance will vary according to one`s personell experience. I find their are a couple of points that could be confined to one,they seem to overlap each other eg.{ #34 and 35}and {# 41 and 42 },but that`s just nit picking. Personally I can relate to #`s 3, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 29, 31, 38, 39, 40, 47, 51, 52, 53, 55, That`s just from my perspective Thank`s Frank smiddy |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 06:09:00 GMT
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Post 647 of 1040 Since 9/4/2010 |
marked |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:47:00 GMT
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Post 6544 of 7431 Since 8/10/2011 |
So? What makes The Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses any worse than any other "imperfect" organization? They BELIEVE they will HAVE the Earth. The Catholics taught the Catholics would HAVE Heaven. Maybe Jah thought that was funny. But it is not funny that people are being taught that they will have the Earth. Groups of people who want the land under someone else causes WAR. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:13:00 GMT
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Post 10109 of 16330 Since 6/17/2009 |
20-28 are subjective, every religion has their set of interpretations. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 12:17:00 GMT
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Post 5172 of 5935 Since 7/22/2009 |
blondie thanks for showing us, great work |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:25:00 GMT
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Post 6547 of 7431 Since 8/10/2011 |
That is a comprehensive list of infractions that are true and the reason why many of us are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses. I agree JWs will never be reformed. There are too many doctrines and habits needing changing. But wouldn't it be wonderful if they could get rid of it all except the Buildngs and the Bible and finally figure out what it is all about? Did they not start out as a people looking for the truth?
I think it is a good original post to bump up. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:31:00 GMT
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Post 28 of 88 Since 2/28/2012 |
I would that they (JWs/Bible Students) did start out to look for the truth. But then they failed to exercise their free will, choosing instead to blindly follow someone who says they have the sole Truth. In fact, it is the tendency of human nature to follow the easy path. The easy path of leaving the thinking to others, and just follow what is being said without any critical thinking. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:33:00 GMT
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The odd thing is that with the exception of the Ray Franz (new Elder arrangement) era - they have NEVER made an attempt at reform. And the Ray Franz attempt was brutally crushed. Almost all further change since the 1980s has been anti-reform - with the possible exceptions of the 7,000 year creative days, CO status in relation to the selective service, and "blood fractions". But note that none of those three was actually presented as a reform - it was either phased in without fanfare, or presented piece by piece so that nobody would notice a big change. Note also that I do not class the "overlapping generations" explanation as reform. That is just plain insanity to get out of a false prophecy. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:29:00 GMT
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![]() Greenland Post 1272 of 1509 Since 11/22/2002 |
Thanks Blondie and thanks neighbor friend Frank |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:37:00 GMT
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Post 649 of 1040 Since 9/4/2010 |
Hi,
When I posted this list on another forum, a JW responded as follows:
I found Mr. Toth's list quite interesting and not very accurate. For example #55 >>Blatantly lying to the public by declaring to news media that members may leave the organization at any time, of their own free will and without any repercussions from the organization.<< I left the organization for over 10 years with absolutely no repercussions. I received periodic visits from elders to encourage me, nothing more. And I personally know of others who have done the same. No repercussions. Many of us have and are returning because there really is nothing else out there. Satan really has nothing of value to offer -Mr. Pennyone Any comments |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:48:00 GMT
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Post 1427 of 2051 Since 3/22/2010 |
I left the organization for over 10 years with absolutely no repercussions. Did you ever put a Christmas tree in your window, associate with another church or move in with that cute blonde down the street? George
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:52:00 GMT
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Post 6550 of 7431 Since 8/10/2011 |
Any comments? Yes. It is taught at meetings that "bad associations spoil useful habits" means if you don't keep yourself without spot from the world your standing with Jehovah will suffer. Whenever someone leaves the org they become "the world". So loyal JWs will not associate with anyone who has left by order of the Governing Body because it is they who teach that someone leaving them is leaving Jehovah, therefore becomes a traitor of truth and not to be associated with. I have lost my friends. I am happy to say that I have no family members that were JWs. To be losing friends (and family) because of a lie and misplaced loyalties is what I call a repercussion. I have three close friends that I have not heard from. One does not see me anymore just because I said "I don't go to meetings anymore". Someone who says there are no repercussions from leaving are not caring much about friendships in my opinion. |
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blondie
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:39:00 GMT
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![]() Post 33892 of 36384 Since 5/28/2001 |
http://formerjw.homestead.com/ I (Frank Toth) went from house-to-house for the Watchtower Society for 50 years. As I did, I became acquainted with many good and sincere people who were not Jehovah's Witnesses but who showed a love for God and neighbour. They claimed to be and I now view them as Christians to the best of their knowledge and ability. I believe they will be rewarded for their faith in God and Jesus, though they never have read or never will read The Watchtower. In other words, I no longer believe that a person must be one of Jehovah's Witnesses in order to receive salvation to everlasting life. Jesus said, "EVERYONE believing in him may have everlasting life." He said nothing about membership in or faithful service within any organization. -- John 3:15, 16. I do not believe that God's holy spirit is operating upon the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Instead, my study of the Society's publications has revealed that there is a spiritistic foundation to the teachings of Charles Taze Russell, and his writings continue to this day to influence the direction in which the Governing Body is taking the organization...(continued)
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:14:00 GMT
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Post 206 of 706 Since 5/5/2010 |
BUMP I was gonna (re) post this masterpiece and good thing I checked Simon's handy search and saw it was 17 days ago. |
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Re: 55 REASONS JWS WILL NEVER BE REFORMED--Frank Toth
posted Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:18:00 GMT
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Post 138 of 198 Since 4/8/2011 |
Awesome list! Definitely going to read them to my husband and brother! |


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