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    M flipper posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:40:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    As most of us know the WT society has always claimed that it's dissapproved in God's sight to marry a non-JW . Although they've never made it a disfellowshipping offense, any JW who marries outside the JW organization is looked at as " weak " or lacking " spirituality " and loses certain alleged " privileges " in the congregations. They use scriptures in the Old Testament as support for this. In this latest article that JW's will study at their WT study in time, it becomes glaringly apparent that the WT society is not only condescending but is hypocritical in views on marriage.

    On pg. 4 paragraph 7 it states, " If a dedicated servant of Jehovah married an unbeliever , this would be an act of disobedience to God. A Christian who marries an unbeliever is NOT exemplary and lacks a real appreciation for God's gift of marriage. Entertaining such a union after baptism can cost one some privileges among God's people. And it would be illogical to expect blessings while admitting in prayer, ' Jehovah, I deliberately disobeyed you, but please bless me anyway. ' " O.K. So how does one show " lack of appreciation for God's gift of marriage " if they marry a non-Witness and it turns out great and they have happy marriages ?? !! Perhaps marriages work BETTER if they don't have Jehovah, er the ( WT society's ) blessing ?? It's VERY condescending of the WT society to claim that marriages will NOT work outside of their organization when JW's marry non-Witnesses. I know lots of people, myself included who REALLY appreciate their marriages outside the Jehovah's Witness organization.

    Even the WT society writers THEMSELVES admit as much in this next quote that indeed non-Witnesses DO have " some " appreciation of marriage. Notice the quote, " Even many of those who have known little or nothing about Jehovah God and his wonderful gift of marriage have shown at least a MEASURE of gratitude for the marital bond. " O.K. So now the WT society ADMITS that non-witnesses CAN show a " MEASURE " of gratitude , but by their language they indicate that non-Witnesses could nEVER show the same gratitude for marriage as practicing JW's !

    I find this information VERY insulting and idiotically prejudiced. Many, many people outside of Jehovah's Witnesses show ABUNDANT appreciation for their marriages without getting " approval " from God, the WT society, or anybody else ! I'm enjoying just a marriage myself for almost 6 years ! So how are all of you ex-Witnesses marriages doing ? You find it easier after exiting the Witnesses ? I know I do. Not as many controlling intrusions by the WT society ! I'm interested to get your takes and observations on this article. Is it any wonder our JW relatives and former friends views are so skewed and messed up ? Peace out to you all, Mr. Flipper

    NewChapter posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:44:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    Esther married out of 'the truth', and she saved the entire nation. Ruth was not 'in the truth' when she married a Jew, and she went on to become an ancestor to Jesus. The only two woman with books dedicated to them, violated this rule. Just sayin'

    NC

    M wha happened? posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:45:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    Oh yes the big scary monster out there. Hey I used to hear this crap as a kid, except it was racism. The blacks are moving in and will take your next of kin.

    Even the WT society writers THEMSELVES admit as much in this next quote that indeed non-Witnesses DO have " some " appreciation of marriage. Notice the quote, " Even many of those who have known little or nothing about Jehovah God and his wonderful gift of marriage have shown at least a MEASURE of gratitude for the marital bond. "

    Seriously, "Some" of them have a measure of gratitude for the marital bond. Do they just make it up as they go?

    breakfast of champions posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:52:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    I know this sounds repetitive, but. . .

    ITS A CULT!!

    Magwitch posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:00:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    I have some great friends in San Diego who have been together for 32 years. They are so happy together - just love each other's company. They just recently retired and are now making plans to travel the world together. But here is the clencher.....They never bothered to get married. They certainly do not have God's blessing nor the Watchtower's (which they know nothing of). They have great respect for each other (what else could you ask for?)

    No Room For George posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:01:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    On pg. 4 paragraph 7 it states, " If a dedicated servant of Jehovah married an unbeliever , this would be an act of disobedience to God. A Christian who marries an unbeliever is NOT exemplary and lacks a real appreciation for God's gift of marriage. Entertaining such a union after baptism can cost one some privileges among God's people. And it would be illogical to expect blessings while admitting in prayer, ' Jehovah, I deliberately disobeyed you, but please bless me anyway.

    Utterly ridiculous because they're not disobeying God, they're disregarding the Apostle Paul's council. Besides as Blondie has pointed out in the past, Moses amongst others in the Scriptures, didn't "marry only in the Lord."

    Even the WT society writers THEMSELVES admit as much in this next quote that indeed non-Witnesses DO have " some " appreciation of marriage. Notice the quote, " Even many of those who have known little or nothing about Jehovah God and his wonderful gift of marriage have shown at least a MEASURE of gratitude for the marital bond. "

    Something I've been thinking about lately..........the Scriptures state that a Christian is to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, right? However, JWs are baptized after repenting of their sins and recognizing that they're going to become part of God's spirit directed organization which goes directly against what the Scripture's states the vows are to be.

    Considering that, if a married Christian of another denomination who previously was baptized with the correct vows, in a moment of rarity decides to convert and become a JW by reciting the WT's non-scriptural vows, they're essentially invalidating their previously scriptural baptism. That said, I wonder at times why the WT doesn't consider the previous marriage vows of their own converts from previous denominations as invalid? I mean the WT invalidates everything else that's convenient, why not the marriages of their converts?

    On another note, considering that non-annointed aren't really the intended audience of The New Testament according to the WT's teaching that only the annointed are the True Christians part of the New Covenant arrangement, I'm under the impression that none of Paul's council really applies to any of the rank & file non-annointed anyway.

    ziddina posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:02:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    Ha ha!!!

    Shades of ol' booze-hound whore-mongering Rutherford...

    I can't believe they're recycling HIS misogyny again...

    "...but by their language they indicate that non-Witnesses could nEVER show the same gratitude for marriage as practicing JW's ! ..."

    Ahhhh.... Yeah. With all those 'serial adulterers' in the congregations, the Witnesses are SUCH good examples of having "appreciation" for marriage...

    Quarterback posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:15:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    Even Witness marriages don't display evidence of God's blessings.

    I don't believe that the writer's of that article has any clue as to what Jehovah is thinking about when someone prays to Him. To make that statement is presumptuous.

    What is going on, is warfare against a losing battle. The ORG can't stop the interests of individuals who are shopping for a lifetime partner. This is such a widespread practice.

    M flipper posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:11:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    NEW CHAPTER- Exactly. Your examples definitely show that marriages work quite well when a non-Witness marries an alleged follower of God.

    WHA HAPPENED ? - Very true, I've heard this crap since I was a kid too. The arrogance the WTS shows towards non-Witnesses marriages is ridiculous. That SOME marriages may work and show gratitude ? I think the WTS does make this stuff up as they go.

    BREAKFAST of CHAMPIONS- It's a cult indeed.

    MAGWITCH- Exactly, very true. There are some great relationships where people have never married for sure. Marriage is just a piece of paper for legality purposes . There are great marriages , but, there are just as many awesome relationships with people who never marry. Thanks for sharing that example !

    NO ROOM FOR GEORGE- Good points you bring out . The WT society leaders would invalidate EVERYTHING JW's do if they could. Interesting examples you provide.

    ZIDDINA- Very true. The ghost of Rutherford strikes again ! LOL ! With all the adultery going on inside the Witnesses they certainly are NOT paragons of virtue for sure.

    QUARTERBACK- Very true, the WT society statements were very presumptuous. WT society doesn't have a clue what really makes good marriages work. For the WT society to restrict it's members to ONLY have JW's as lifetime partners or marriage mates is really overstepping personal boundaries of JW's. But WT society ALWAYS steps over personal boundaries. Sick. Peace out, mr. Flipper

    MrDarkKnight posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:20:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    There are many elders who were once "unbeleivers" and married a JW. I know one who now conducts the WT. He was my brother-in-law. I wonder what he thinks? I wonder what his wife thinks?

    M wha happened? posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:27:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    good point George, Moses took someone outside the camp as a mate

    baltar447 posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:31:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    indeed non-Witnesses DO have " some " appreciation of marriage = Weasel Words.

    Listener posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:42:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    If you date an outsider you will be marked but if you go on to marry an outsider at some point in time you are no longer marked, it makes no sense.

    Muddy Waters posted Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:44:00 GMT(3/29/2012)

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    Wasn't it Jeremiah who was supposed to take a wife from among the nations (to represent Israel's unfaithfulness or something)...? He was commanded directly by Jehovah to take a wife who wasn't a worshipper of Jehovah. Just have to figure out where that scripture is.... Jeremiah somewhere....

    M flipper posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:01:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    MR DARK KNIGHT- Exactly. There are so many cases of non-JW's marrying JW's and it working, it's ridiculous the WT society makes a big deal about it.

    WHA HAPPENED? - Good point, Moses took a foreign wife.

    BALTAR 447- Those really were weasel words describing non-Witnesses as having SOME appreciation of marriage.

    LISTENER- The WT society is really good at not making any sense on a lot of things, so their confusing take on marriage is no surprise to me.

    MUDDY WATERS- Interesting. Jeremiah was told to take a foreign wife ? So WT society doesn't have a leg to stand on then. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:04:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    They constantly assault R&F intelligence.

    They assume we are too stupid to judge a good mate for ourselves and say only witlesses are acceptable. WOW, thanks for telling me 'cause I would've just dated someone, all the while getting to know them, but never have known they were evil unless you told me.

    Soooo insulting!

    Not only is this offensive, but also there is no guarantee that marrying a witless will ensure wedded bliss; I know plenty of mean and abusive witlesses and I certainly wouldn't want to be married to ay of them.

    Muddy Waters posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:19:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    OOPS -- I'm sorry... totally wrong about Jeremiah. I don't know what I'm thinking of or trying to remember.... it wasn't Jeremiah. I thought maybe Ezekiel, but he was just told by Jehovah not to mourn the death of his wife....

    So please ignore my earlier comment everybody.... somewhere I've got a screw loose or thinking of something that may (or may not) exist.....

    mP posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 00:25:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    @newChapter

    Esther is Isis the goddess or Easter the same fertility goddess. Mordecai is named after Marduk.

    How is it the Bible uses the name of the pagan goddess associated with the Sun rather than uses her neutral Jewish name ? How exactly do JWs address the fact a book in the Bible is named after the same root as the pagan holiday Easter ?

    The simple answer is of course xians lie and selectively ignore these troublesome facts.

    Its particularly strange that the Bible would have a book named after a pagan goddess, shouldnt they have useed her non pagan jewish name. Perhaps theres a message there that the ancient jews themselves worshipped goddesses and many gods, and xians have erased and pretend not to acknowleddge this when they selectively read the Bible.

    I might be wrong but i believe Esther is one of the few books in the Bible where God or Jeahovah is never mentioned directly or indirectly. This book has absolute no place in the Bible.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther

    According to Esther 2:7 , Esther was originally named Hadassah. Hadassah means "myrtle" in Hebrew. It has been conjectured that the name Esther is derived from a reconstructed Median word astra meaning myrtle. [7]

    An alternative view is that Esther is derived from the theonym Ishtar. The Book of Daniel provides accounts of Jews in exile being assigned names relating to Babylonian gods and "Mordecai" is understood to mean servant of Marduk, a Babylonian god. "Esther" may have been a different Hebrew interpretation from the Proto-Semitic root "*?aθtar- 'morning/evening star'", [8] which descended with the /th/ into the Ugaritic Athtiratu [9] and Arabian Athtar. [10] The derivation must then have been secondary for the initial ayin to be confused with an aleph (both represented by vowels in Akkadian), and the second consonant descended as a /s/ (like in the Aramaic asthr "bright star"), rather than a /sh/ as in Hebrew and most commonly in Akkadian.

    ...

    Esther is compared to the "morning star", and is considered the subject of Psalm 22, because its introduction is a "song for the morning star".

    In other words God and all other heavenly creatures are stars and other heavenly bodies.

    F blondie posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:39:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    My last "meeting" was a circuit assembly where it was said from the platform: marrying an unbeliever is like kissing a corpse. Several jws had their non-jw spouses with them. The husband of one that I knew made that assembly the last "meeting" he attended.

    Also I remember that Mahlon and Chilion, Naomi's sons, married Moabite women. (besides living in Moab instead of Israel) Weren't the Moabites the ones that tricked the Israelites into immorality just before crossing into the Promised Land, where 24,000 Israelites died?

    I have known jws that were told that even if the unbelieving spouse became a jw, that the original jw would eternally be held as flawed having deliberately disobeyed god.

    *** w86 11/15 p. 27 Are You Looking for a Partner in Life? ***‘But how can you say that?’ someone may ask. ‘I know a brother who did not marry a fellow worshiper, and now they are both serving Jehovah.’ True, in a few cases matters have worked out that way, and we are glad that both mates are now “walking in the truth.” (3 John 4) Nevertheless, the brother who married an unbaptized person was disobedient. Will that independent spirit surface once again? Might he be tempted to think he knows better than God and thus disregard Bible counsel and trust in his own wisdom in yet another situation?

    Retrovirus posted Fri, 30 Mar 2012 03:16:00 GMT(3/30/2012)

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    Hi Mr Flipper,

    This topic reminded me of the horrible example in the Feb 15th, 2012(?) study edition of the Watchtower called "Happiness can be found in a divided household" , depicting domestic violence. As I remember it, a wife in an abusive marriage was counselled by her Bible study giver to submit and avoid provocation, and after 14 years her husband finally came to the "truth" .

    I wonder now if that article was also intended to reinforce believers' view that marriages "outside" are violent and unhappy, and so discourage any interest that they might have in a non-jw as a spouse?

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