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2/15 WT " Preserve the Positive Spirit of Congregations" - Translation :Submit

    M flipper posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:48:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    Once again, this was a real " jewel " of a study article by the WT society full of contradictions , controlling expressions , and manipulative wording in order to take away Jehovah's Witnesses free will and freedom of mind .

    Initially the WT society makes it appear that they are " concerned " about Witnesses actually keeping the " peace " between themselves. Notice this quote from pg. 20, paragraph 7, " True friends keep personal matters CONFIDENTIAL. When our brothers reveal their innermost thoughts and feelings to us and are SURE that these will NOT become public knowledge , the bond of love that may already exist will grow stronger. " ( uh-huh. Like when does THAT ever happen ? Confidentiality ? ) It continues, " May we promote a loving, family like spirit in the congregation by being a trustworthy friend who can keep things confidential. "

    Now before we get TOO MUSHY and sentimental thinking the WT society is ACTUALLY recommending close relationships here - notice the quote in paragraph 15 where the WT society contradicts itself regarding keeping confidentiality about " personal matters " . It states, " As was previously mentioned , it is important to maintain confidentiality in certain matters, especially when others share with us their feelings and thoughts . How wrong and hurtful it is to spread confidential information about someone ! EVEN SO, when serious sin has been committed, those scripturally obligated to handle the matter - the elders in the congregation - SHOULD BE INFORMED. " ??????? It goes on to say that a JW would allow another fellow JW time to report their own " personal matter " or " sin " - but continues, " if he or she does not do so within a reasonable period of time, though, WE SHOULD report the wrongdoing. " Translation : If the " thought police " or elders tell you to rat each other out- you are to do it. Personal matter or not.

    Also notice the strong language used by the WT society in telling Witnesses WHO to associate with and HOW to view WT society authority. It states in paragraph 12 , " WE must guard against developing a spirit of murmuring. While cultivating humility and respect for authority will help us, we need to be concerned about those with whom we associate. " ( Whatever happened to "promoting a loving, family like spirit ?" ) It continues, " We are wise to limit our association with people who are negative or who are promoting an independent attitude. " Translation : If you have JW friends who question ANY teaching from the WT society or who talks negatively about the elders they are to be avoided.

    In fact, in the very next paragraph 13, it makes that very point ! It states, " murmurers in the first century congregation were, " disregarding lordship and speaking abusively of glorious ones. " Such murmering against responsible men in the congregation certainly did not have God's approval. " Translation : If you murmur against the elders , even if they are unjust, you won't have the WT society's approval. THE governing body and God Jehovah are one and the same thing.

    Then this article " mercifully " ends by the WT society stating that, " when we SUBMIT to the Bible-based instruction from Jehovah's organization and follow the direction of the ELDERS, we give proof that we are " earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. " Translation : If you Jehovah's Witnesses SUBMIT to us the WT leaders you show yourselves to promote peace and a " positive spirit " in the congregation. If you DO NOT submit and try to make us WT leaders " look bad " or the elders " look bad " to fellow witnesses - you will be thought of as bad associates ! Now then. Go and enjoy the bountiful " peace and love " within the dear christian brotherhood ! ( Makes me want to gag on a spoon . )

    Anyway, that's my take on this particular WT study article. I'd love to hear all of YOUR takes on this shriveling mass of spiritually constipating "food" . Interested to read and hear your takes on it. Hope you are all having a great weekend. Peace and love to all of you folks. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    WTWizard posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:29:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    Here is my contribution to the "positive spirit of the congregation":

    First, zero field circus and boasting session attendance.

    Second, I contributed to putting "sun worship" decorations in my hall. In fact, I am the one that did more than 90% of my building's halls, and people from adjacent buildings come in to see the "sun worship" decorations. That is something I am not supposed to be doing, according to the Washtowel.

    Third, I regularly check apostate boards to see what is coming. Just in case the witlesses come up with some rubbish to force me back in, at least I am prepared.

    And I do other things in case of financial Armageddon (which will be when the governments run out of gimmicks to create the illusion of fixing things). Some things I did include buying good clothing that will not need replacement soon, buying supplies to give myself light in case of blackouts, buying silver, learning to fix computers so I have something of use to barter with, and looking at moving out of the country if it becomes necessary and worth the debt that it will likely incur. This costs me money that will not be going into the Worldwide Pedophile Defense Fund.

    scotoma posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:26:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    WTWizard: learn Spanish

    finally awake posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:32:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    I think to properly preserve the spirit, you have to pressure can it for 45 minutes at 25 pounds. Be sure to sterilize the jars and lids first.

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:19:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    w12 2/15: True friends keep personal matters CONFIDENTIAL. When our brothers reveal their innermost thoughts and feelings to us and are SURE that these will NOT become public knowledge , the bond of love that may already exist will grow stronger. "

    Yes, like when I went to talk to my fellow elders about my marriage difficulties. They kept it confidential by disfellowshipping me and announcing it to the congregation. Ditto on the "bond of love" lies!

    w12 2/15: "May we promote a loving, family like spirit in the congregation by being a trustworthy friend who can keep things confidential."

    In the 2 1/2 years since I've been disfellowshipped, no one--not one person--from my "loving, family like ... congregation" has bothered to stop by to see how I am, not a phone call, not a card, not a letter: Nothing! During that time I went to meetings pretty regularly for the first 1 1/2 years thinking I wanted to go back. Did the elders even ever come to see me like they are supposed to every year? No. (see: w91 4/15 pp. 22-23, also Shepherd the Flock 10:1, p. 114) Liars.

    Some bunch of "trustworthy friends" they are. This is such pure, unadulterated bullshit! How do they have the unmitigated gall to write such lies?

    Un-fucking-believable!

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:22:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    w12 2/15: EVEN SO, when serious sin has been committed, those scripturally obligated to handle the matter - the elders in the congregation - SHOULD BE INFORMED.

    Gestapo

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:29:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    WT Says: "when we SUBMIT to the Bible-based instruction from Jehovah's organization and follow the direction of the ELDERS, we give proof that we are 'earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace.'" - w12 2/15

    00DAD Says: "when we REJECT the Unscriptural instruction from the organization that is clearly NOT God's and reject the mindless rule-enforcement of the WT Puppet-police, we give proof that we are 'earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace.'" - 00DAD2012 1/14

    I actually like the last phrase. It was those kinds of Bible teachings that attracted my to JWs in the first place. It's such a shame they don't actually FOLLOW them! Hypocrites, Pharisees! Liars!

    It's just a bunch of mind-controlling propaganda!

    "By clever and persevering use of propaganda even heaven can be represented as hell to the people, and conversely the most wretched life as paradise." —A DOLF H ITLER, M EIN K AMPF as quoted in the Awake! of June 22, 2000

    Sieg Heil!

    M wha happened? posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:51:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    "True friends keep personal matters CONFIDENTIAL. When our brothers reveal their innermost thoughts and feelings to us and are SURE that these will NOT become public knowledge , the bond of love that may already exist will grow stronger."

    Translation. If u have doubts don't say anything. If u know of a pedophile in the congregation don't say anything. If the WT contradicts scripture don't say anything. Loose lips are apprently sinking ships. Funny how truth eventually triumphs. You can't repress truth forever

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:53:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    WH: "You can't repress truth forever"

    And still they try ...

    mind blown posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:55:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    Wow! Perfect timing. This article will go well with a recent conversation I had.

    Thanx for posting. Things keep getting creepier and creepier....

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:57:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    mind blown: Can you fill us in on what it was about the convention you attended and the points made in this thread? Thanks!

    00DAD

    bobld posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:21:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    Thanks, Flipper.

    I don't know what to say.Total control like any dictator ruler.I hate it, hate it when they say"Jehovah's org,and make it like Jehovah is saying it right now." This worldly(wtbs) org is like a snare when you get caught,that is sucked into their system you can't get out.Just like the poor rabbit that gets caught no matter how hard he trys his struggle is very hard and death fallows.When you are in their snare you realize how hard it is to get out.

    Also I would never say anything to the elders because I don't trust them.

    00DAD posted Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:40:00 GMT(1/14/2012)

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    bobld: You should always trust the elders. Trust them to do just exactly what they are told to do: OBEY!

    mind blown posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:13:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    @00DAD Silly Dad! I said recent "conversation" ...not conventiion...

    However, the conversation I had was...once you take the plung and you later come to disagree on something, you will be DF'd for Apostasy unless you keep it to yourself and they own you.

    For instance. When they have a change on a view point or doctrine, even if you know there's something fishy about it, you MUST keep you mouth shut. The irony of this? Later when they realize they made an "opps we made a mistake", they change it "in print" for the "whole world to see".....and not get DF'd for it after they have DF'd thousand for questioing and maybe even not agreeing with them.

    breakfast of champions posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:35:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    You know, the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" keeps coming to mind. . .

    Growing up in a "Bethel Congregation" exposed me to the most ridiulous laws and regulations. I knew better! But by equating obedience/submission with faith, I made the wrong choice.

    These fuckers are something else, aren't they?

    Listener posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:19:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    Yet it is okay for the elders and the GB to hold an inquisition such as in the case of Ray when dozens were question in regards to him and other brothers. This causing many to break their confidentialty from personal conversations which in themselves did not amount to a serious sin.

    00DAD posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 02:43:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    mind blown: I guess I should learn to read! lol

    Thanks for elucidating nonetheless! It was quite happifying!

    Isn't it crap? THEY (The GB goons) can change their minds whenever they want, but the R&F rest of us just gotta' swallow whatever swill they're dishing out no matter how stupid or non-sensical it is and just keep smiling!

    More please, I just want some more, please!

    "Please Sir. I want some more."

    mind blown posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 04:04:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    @00DAD

    mind blown posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 04:04:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    @00DAD

    M Billy the Ex-Bethelite posted Sun, 15 Jan 2012 06:18:00 GMT(1/15/2012)

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    More like Preserve the North Korea Spirit of the Congregations

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