The Real Purpose of Shunning Holidays

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    metatron posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:32:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    The Watchtower endlessly prates on about pagan traditions in popular holidays - while the Bible itself is loaded with subtle pagan religious ideas - such as wicked spirits being cast "into Tartarus" (a pagan Greek place in which the rebels against Zeus got imprisoned) or "sacred secret" - a term the Apostle Paul likes that was adopted from pagan 'mystery' religions.

    Then we can throw in the reference to being Divinely 'called Christians' in Acts - which uses a pagan term that refers to demonic Oracles of the day.

    Of course, the Watchtower has no objection to accumulating millions of pieces of paper that feature occult symbols (any dollar bill!)

    In recent years, for good measure, they have added birthdays and Thanksgiving to the official banned list, despite the sketchiest justification for doing so. If birthdays are wrong simply because they figure in two negative accounts, then it makes much more sense to ban dogs as pets because of all the negativity in the Bible about them!

    The Awake is willing to 'look the other way' as to worldly celebrations when it comes to Latinas celebrating their 15th birthday. More converts, more money, and it's only once, right?

    What is the real reason for all this zeal against celebrating holidays? It is this: to break up extended family relationships and maintain those broken family ties, as a means of continuing the 'cult' securely.

    What is usually the biggest obstacle to a person "coming into the truth"? Very often, it is celebrating holidays, especially Christmas. People quickly understand that they must give up their extended family ties, as a practical matter. In a busy life, these holidays are often the only practical opportunity to visit and eat with relatives - and that is what the Watchtower wants to cut off.

    metatron

    baltar447 posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:46:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    I think that was a side effect. I think that it served to "brand" the religion and cause them to be even more distinct from mainstream religions. Different for the sake of beign different.

    metatron posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:53:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    OK, expand on your thought of being different....... this 'being different' extends to separating Witnesses from their "worldly" extended families. Once you buy into this separation, they've got you.

    metatron

    dropoffyourkeylee posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:58:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    I have come to believe that the anti-Christmas, anti-most other observances came about in the Rutherford years when about half of Bible Students left. Families were split, and the holidays were when the two sides would come together. This Rutherford did not want, so any holiday which would bring the two sides of a family together was eliminated. It was a control move on the part of Rutherford.

    GLTirebiter posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:46:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    Like going door to door, like refusing to salute the flag, like refusing blood transfusions, like other practices "unique to Jehovah's Witnesses": disrespect for holidays is a sign of Watchtower membership, as well as a loyalty test. Those are the real purposes that are never spoken of.

    Bella15 posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:59:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    The spirit of anti-Christ operates in that organization ... and I agree with this too:

    What is the real reason for all this zeal against celebrating holidays? It is this: to break up extended family relationships and maintain those broken family ties, as a means of continuing the 'cult' securely.

    OUTLAW posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:17:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    Isolation..

    darthfader posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:44:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    I was about 6 years old when my parents got the Truth®. So I saw first hand how we used to get together with our extended family before and how afterwards even casual contact was limited.

    Isolation is the key (I agree with Outlaw). Also I beleive that anything that makes the witnesses stand out is also used like: not blood, no celebrations, no flag salute.

    what a waste..

    M flipper posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:52:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    METATRON- You hit the nail on the head partner. Exactly. Real reason WT society bans Witnesses from celebrating holidays ? Your statement : " To break up extended family relationships and maintain those broken family ties , as a means of continuing the " cult " securely " . No truer words were ever spoken. I've lived this in my exiting the Witnesses 8 years ago and throughout these last 8 years and am once again going through it currently with my own older JW parents as I write this. This organization needs to be brought down like yesterday. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    ABibleStudent posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:52:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    @OUTLAW I do enjoy your humor. I was wondering if you have a picture of a man sticking his head in the ground like an ostrich? Better yet a man sticking his head in the ground with a Mack truck bearing down on his arse.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

    diana netherton posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:16:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    Something you might find amusing...I invited my parents over Christmas Day for dinner but my

    mom asked if we could do it Saturday as Sunday was too "Christmasy." So I'm cooking Christmas

    dinner on Christmas Eve....I don't get it. And she made a point of telling me that she couldn't be there

    until 5:00 because they have a Bethel speaker. Exactly how most people want to spend their

    Christmas Eve, I imagine!

    Lozhasleft posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:18:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    I totally agree with you Metatron and to add to it...having reared my kids mostly in the 'truth' we abandoned these festivities and I now realise that such celebrations with strong family memories are very significantly missing as traditions that would've helped hold us together. As it is the family's memories are bound up in conventions and assemblies which fail totally if a family member leaves or is Dfd. Strategic manipulation to destroy family unity is what I've decided they are for. Thanks WTBS...great job.

    Loz x

    Stealth posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    Before my parents converted to JW, we had many cousins, aunts, uncles within less than a one day drive. I have fond memories of spending time with them most often over the holidays. Then we converted to JW when I was about 10 years old, and we were cut off from all of our family.

    My parents told us children it was them who did not want anything to do with us because of our religion, so that is what we grew up thinking. Today, I know better. Now I have spent most of my life totally alianated from my cousins who I have such fond memories of as a child.

    I should probably try and reach out to them now, but it has been so long, it could never be like it was before. What a loss to loose all of my extended family because of this stupid rule!

    If you have young children and are a JW, DON'T let this happen to them! It is a loss that you can never get back.

    F LongHairGal posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:33:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    METATRON: Correct. It is about isolating the new JW from their non-JW family and friends. The religion is afraid once the JW experiences unconditional love from their family and friends, they will leave the vacuum of a religion. The "pagan" bullshit is just a front to fool naïve people. I had a "lightbulb" moment many years ago on a Thanksgiving holiday! I despise this religion of phonies and manipulators that tried to turn me into some kind of exile! Now, I celebrate the Holidays with a vengeance and this religion can go to hell.

    designs posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:38:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    Send Mistletoe in the mail to a JW friend.

    breakfast of champions posted Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:47:00 GMT(12/22/2011)

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    That's what it's all about, and it did wonders in driving a wedge between my mother and the rest of my non-witness family. In group/out group bias. High control organization genius.

    Sic Semper Tyrannis posted Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:33:00 GMT(12/23/2011)

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    I completely agree that the whole anti-holiday and anti-birthday rhetoric came at the behest of one man - Joseph Franklin Rutherford. Rutherford didn't want his people distracted in any way from hitting the streets and preaching. This was a man who actually instituted quotas for field service hours and implied that these orders came down from the Almighty. I think that was his initial reason to do so, and that these rules were perpetuated throughout the years as a method of isolating Witnesses from their non-believing families. Witness lives became austere, and were focused around the weekly meetings and field service. Meanwhile, the Judge himself lived a life of leisure out at Beth Sarim and at all other residences the Society kept for him. Every now and then he'd give a talk at the conventions where he vented against the clergy. I just find it offensive that such a man had a huge influence on millions of lives - a life he certainly was not willing to live himself.

    redvip2000 posted Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:23:00 GMT(12/23/2011)

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    Interestingly enough, JWs have no problem with celebrating a shower for an unborn baby, which can be said has also pagan connections.

    They will get a cake and wrap presents and put decorations up in honor of the unborn baby. The excuse is that it seems to biblical to celebrate the birth of someone, but that the anniversary of that birth is wrong. HUH??? yup you heard it. Quite the logic indeed. It's as logic as saying that is ok to celebrate a wedding, but not ok to celebrate the anniversary of that wedding.

    Just another example of the fact that these decisions of whether to celebrate something (or not), have very little to do with logic, pagan connections, or personal conviction, and has all to do with whether it is "approved" or not.

    PSacramento posted Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:40:00 GMT(12/23/2011)

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    Everything we have has a pagan background, every tradtion can be traced to an earlier pagan tradition.

    Just silly people trying to make themselves special and different and "not of this world".

    ziddina posted Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:52:00 GMT(12/23/2011)

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    Yes, Metatron, it's all about isolation...

    When I was first researching cults, that was one thing that I noticed - though the Watchtower Corporation doesn't actually LOCK people away in compounds, they are VERY SUCCESSFUL at isolating them from the real world...

    Many people that I spoke with, at the time, couldn't understand my recognition of the Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult - Jonestown had happened just a few years previously, and it was so horrific - and the members were so totally cut off - that "worldly" people couldn't understand what I was seeing as 'cultish' within the Watchtower Corporation's methods..

    But they are EXTREMELY effective at isolating people, and I think you hit the nail on the head with your opening post, Metatron - it's all about ISOLATION, ISOLATION, ISOLATION - which then renders the recruit vulnerable to the subsequent CONTROL....

    Zid

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