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Why are Jehovah’s Witnesses persecuted and spoken against?

    mankkeli posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:34:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    This is taken from the reasoning book, page 201

    Jesus said: “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you.” (John 15:18, 19; see also 1 Peter 4:3, 4.) The Bible shows that the whole world lies under Satan’s control; he is the principal instigator of the persecution.—1 John 5:19; Rev. 12:17.

    Jesus also told his disciples: “You will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name.” (Mark 13:13) The word “name” here means what Jesus officially is, the Messianic King. Persecution comes because Jehovah’s Witnesses put his commands ahead of those of any earthly ruler.

    Does widespread persecution against the witnesses justify the selection of the organization in 1918 by christ?.

    M wobble posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 13:56:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    They were not "persecuted" in 1918/19, they were convicted for breaking the Law of the land in war time. They were never exonerated, as they claim, it was simply decided not to re-try them as the War was over,so Rutherford and cronies remained free for reasons of cost.

    They are not persecuted anywhere today for simply being Christs brothers, or claiming to be such, they suffer because they are an obnoxious cult that causes unecessary deaths through their erroneous and murderous blood doctrine.

    No wonder they are spoken against, and rightly so, but again, who berates them for being christian ? no one.

    They never have, and never will, fit the criteria needed to fulfill any Bible prophecy.

    mankkeli posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:00:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Wobble - check out this video, conscentious objectors arround the world are facing hell

    http://jw-media.org/vid/kor/conscientious-objection-e.htm

    M wobble posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 14:24:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Makes my point beautifully, they are being persecuted for refusing military service, something Jesus never spoke against, in fact if you were impressed in to service by the military you were to "go the extra mile ".

    Now, I admire their stand immensely, but they are not being persecuted for following Christ, but for following the dictates of a few old men in New York who do not have to suffer any deprivations personally.

    nancy drew posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:19:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Mostly it's in their imagination

    The reality is their invisible to most people its a fantasy that they are a "theatrical spectacle".

    M Terry posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:19:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    I now see nothing to admire in stubborn refusals.

    Reasonable refusals are a different thing.

    How reasonable can a stubborn person be? Not at all.

    When JW's are told to follow the orders of the GB there is no reasoning allowed.

    Obedience comes before a rational thought is allowed to begin.

    Obedience does away with your brain.

    You become a reflex in service of someone else's thinking. A virtual robot.

    Nothing admirable at all in permitting others to control you and eliminate your need for thinking.

    jonathan dough posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:28:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    JWs are not persecuted. Criticism is not persecution.

    http://www.144000.110mb.com/

    N.drew posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:33:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    The kind of obedience that comes before rational thought does away with the brain. And nobody believes the prophet who warns it's spreading. Hi Terry! Seems like a different forum without you. Please accept my humble "welcome back!".

    What is spreading? Confusion, the kind that will never find world peace, is spreading. To believe a lie is confusion. Confusion causes irrationality. Isn't it spreading? Beyond even the false prophet, isn't it spreading?

    metatron posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 16:55:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Currently, Witnesses are receive opposition because they wreck families.

    metatron

    F JWdaughter posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 17:25:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Has any Jw EVER BEEN 'persecuted' on account of the name of Jesus? I think not. I think that they are disliked because of a lot of things, but it isn't about Jesus OR Jehovah. Hell, many people don't even know that they make any kind of claim to be believers of Christianity in any case.

    Heaven posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:40:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    What is purported in the Bible on specifics of what Jesus said are greatly exaggerated and have no basis in fact nor any basis in corroboration. In other words, he never said these things. Therefore the answer to your question is no.

    Jesus Christ is a dead guy. How does a dead guy select anything?

    MrFreeze posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 19:41:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    I like how they use that they are "hated" and "persecuted" as a reason for their being God's people. Do they think there may be a bigger reason why they are hated and persecuted?

    Scully posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:56:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. ~ Watchtower, 11/15/63

    It is also not persecution when individuals of said religion criticize other religions, call them part of Babylon the Great™, or refer to their beliefs and practices as originating with Satan the Devil, and as a result reap the consequences of those criticisms by those whom they have offended.

    It is not persecution when JWs incite civil unrest by picketing church services and antagonize other individuals to the point of instigating public altercations, and get arrested for their role in being $h!t disturbers.

    There's nothing godly about orchestrating events that result in one's being arrested, beaten up, or otherwise create a negative impact on the community by stirring up trouble. They reaped what they sowed, IMO.

    extractor posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:30:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    Their writings say I'm possessed by Satan, my religion is "Babylon the Great", my friends are "mentally diseased", and hint that "slaughtering" my friends is not out of the question... and then they claim to be persecuted?

    No one throws more mud than the WT, or whines more when someone calls them dirty.

    nateb posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:44:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    It is not persecution when JWs incite civil unrest by picketing church services and antagonize other individuals to the point of instigating public altercations, and get arrested for their role in being $h!t disturbers.

    There's nothing godly about orchestrating events that result in one's being arrested, beaten up, or otherwise create a negative impact on the community by stirring up trouble. They reaped what they sowed, IMO.

    It's kinda like slashing the tires on a truck with a Confederate flag at the Wal-Mart whilst shouting "f*** rednecks" or walking through a bad part of town yelling the "n" word at the top of your lungs. You're probably gonna a get a rise out of someone and there will probably be some physical pain involved. Rugtherford knew exactly what he was doing when he picked fights with the Knights of Columbus and otherwise atagonized other religions and their subsidiaries.

    In more modern times, it's obvious that interrupting people in their homes is going to piss them off. It's also obvious that it's not an effective way of transmitting their message or any message for that matter. But since it's irritating, it's good for perpetuating the "we're so despised and we love it" mindset.

    nugget posted Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:46:00 GMT(10/2/2011)

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    I think the recent independent article was very revealing the witnesses were saying that is was evidence of persecution. I had to question this since all that had happened was someone had accurately reported what was in a magazine and someone else had had challenged the choice of words. No witnesses were harmed or damaged by what was printed so where was the persecution?

    Sometimes it seems as if criticism however mild is seen as persecution. It could also be argued that they deliberately manouver things to appear the victim when their own arogance or stupidity brought it on themselves.

    To suggest that witnesses are fufilling a sign from god would suggest that god supports arrogant, stupid people who deliberately go out of their way to be provocative

    WTWizard posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:50:00 GMT(10/3/2011)

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    Rightly so they should be persecuted. When you break the law, there are going to be consequences. Such as multiple obstruction of justice situations where the witlesses (notably, the hounders) hide and destroy evidence against the Washtowel for things like hiding pedophiles and other serious law-breakers. And they keep preaching despite householders' explicit instructions that they are not interested--going back to the same people (and even apostates that are known apostates are not immune).

    On top of that, they ruin lives. They will do anything to keep children under their grip--pious-sneering instead of enjoying school recess, depriving children of Christmas for no good reason, banning anything that might make people reasonably well off, and not preparing them for anything except a life of pious-sneering and boasting sessions. If they decide that the religion is not for them, or even want to take a time out, they get all huffy and start busting up families of those who leave the cancer.

    Most important, they lie about abiding by the Bible. People are told that they are the only group that properly abides by the Bible. Yet I hear Kingdumb Misery articles and Kool-Aid Washtowel study articles explicitly directing the witlesses to abide by their own Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger. You see a doctrine that you can prove wrong, using their own Bible? You are still supposed to abide by AND TEACH the bad doctrine until the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger itself fixes it--or replaces it with an even worse one. THIS IS NOT ABIDING BY THE BIBLE! For sure, this is not Christian. If you are pulling off a scam, you should expect persecution.

    F Mary posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:57:00 GMT(10/3/2011)

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    Every cult uses the same sorry-assed reasoning as the Witnesses. They have bizarre beliefs, yell it from the roof tops and they cry "persecution" when they get the backlash for it. It's the only way they can convince themselves that they're God's Chosen Ones.

    garyneal posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:08:00 GMT(10/3/2011)

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    Well put Mary.

    M ProdigalSon posted Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:16:00 GMT(10/3/2011)

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    Because they're effin' judgemental troublemakers who never lift a finger to help their "worldly" neighbors......

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