WT Society Alters their History as " The Party " did in George Orwell's 1984

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    M flipper posted Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:17:00 GMT(8/29/2011)

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    Finally my wife and I got around to reading George Orwell's " 1984 " . As many of you know who have read the book that " The Party " or " Big Brother " as the ruling power in the book is called ; constantly changes records of it's past dealings so as to deceive the public about any false forecasts they may have mistakenly made ; in an effort to put forth a positive image of itself it destroys past embarrassing records or paperwork which would expose the " Party " as a failure. Much the way the WT society has altered their history to deceive the public and their own members.

    Notice this quote from George Orwell's " 1984 " on pg. 36 concerning the " Party's " literature and magazine called the TIMES , " As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of the TIMES had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct ; nor was any item of news , or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, EVER allowed to remain on record. "

    From the 20th century into this 21st century the WT society has discouraged it's members from reading older literature that they put out during C.T. Russell's & J.F. Rutherford's time as presidents . What the WT society calls " new light " is actually an altering of previously held views which never came true or transpired. So to avoid embarrassment the WT society has removed such quotes in the newer version " Truth that Leads to Eternal Life " book from former secretary of state Dean Achison in which he predicted that in " 1975 the world would be too dangerous to live in ". The quote was in the ORIGINAL " Truth " book printed in 1968, but not versions printed in the early 1980's. WT society had to alter their history to make up for failed predictions of no " end " coming in 1975.

    Also , this remains the reason the WT society continuously changes what makes up a " generation " by changing the definition of generation to include two or more multiple " overlapping generations " turning them into 1 generation. Alterations have also included the blood transfusion teaching, the opening up of the sealing of the " anointed " in 1935 ( one reason there are now 11,202 partaking and keeps rising in number ) . It goes on and on with the WT society altering their history so that " nor was any item of news , or any expression of opinon, which conflicted with the needs of the moment , EVER allowed to remain on record. "

    With the turnover rate escalating of newer JW members joining and more long time members exiting the WT society - newer members are not informed of the false, errant views the WT society had at one time. The subject isn't approached and dismissed as if some events never happened. Or, if, on the rare occasion alterations ARE mentioned it is said that those who stuck to older views or disagreed were unfaithful, lacking faith in God. It shows the insidiousness and trickery used by the WT society to suit their own purposes and control other human beings. .

    At any rate - thought you'd enjoy seeing and reading this comparison and as always I look forward to your thoughts and insights on this subject ! Hope you are all doing well. Peace out to all, Mr. Flipper

    M flipper posted Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:34:00 GMT(8/29/2011)

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    BTTT, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    M Open mind posted Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:36:00 GMT(8/29/2011)

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    Hey there Flipper.

    Sending you a PM in a couple minutes.

    om

    Joliette posted Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:56:00 GMT(8/29/2011)

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    I've never read 1984 but I want to read it, sounds very intresting.

    ziddina posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:07:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    Marking...

    Gotta go feed critters!

    M flipper posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:11:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    OPEN MIND- Thanks for the PM. I PMed you back ! Take care.

    JOLIETTE- It is really interesting. I had never read it and we finally got it for $ 2.00 used at a bookstore. We are about 33 % through reading it. To give credit where credit's due - the poster FARKEL is the one who recommended I read it. A great suggestion on his part- it's been a fascinating book. Lots of similarities to the WT society and Jehovah's Witnesses. Especially about fear and control . Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    M flipper posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:14:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    ZIDDINA- Go feed them critters sis ! Tell them to eat some extra for me ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Joliette posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:34:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    Yeah, I want to read that. I need to stop spending so much time online and get back into reading and working out. I loooove the heck out of science fiction.

    Bonnie_Clyde posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:44:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    It's a great book! Read it a couple of years ago and the similarities to the Watchtower were amazing. Then I read Orwell's "Animal Farm." The pigs who were in control kept changing the rules that were written on the side of the barn when no one was looking. Just like the WT.

    isojourn posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:47:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    Yes, they absolutely do alter history. Don't they have a department for that in Bethel?

    1984 has always reminded me of the Borg. Watch out the thought police are watching right now.

    M OnTheWayOut posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:54:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    I don't know if the WT-CD ROM has changed much in the last few years, as I don't ever go to it anymore. But did you ever wonder why the WT-CD ROM goes back to 1950 only on Watchtower magazines and not Awake! and not on books?

    Awake starts at 1970 and avoids that embarrassing 1969 article about never being able to finish college and work in that field. A few books after 1969 have the 1975 stuff in them.

    I have learned so much these past years about just how dishonest WTS is about its own past. They say how they predicted so much for 1914 and it came true because World War One started, but really- they were saying that Jesus arrived already in 1874 and that the end would be there in 1914. They got nothing right. The world war was a coincidence and didn't lead on to terrible tribulation or anything they spoke of.

    You gotta try to find THE ORWELLIAN WORLD OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

    Preview- http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Orwellian_world_of_Jehovah_s_Witness.html?id=MRj4hmqPRxEC

    http://www.amazon.com/Orwellian-World-Jehovahs-Witnesses/dp/0802065457

    M flipper posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 01:19:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    JOLIETTE- Yeah sis ! I think you'll enjoy reading it ! If you can find a copy. I had to put one on order from a used book store.

    BONNIE_CLYDE- So you enjoyed the book also ? Cool. Animal farm sounds good as well. I'll have to read that book too. Sounds like the WT society- very controlling.

    ISOJOURN- WT society really does remind us of 1984 for sure. The WT thought police may be watching me- but I'm stronger than they are. My love and my committment to truth is stronger than theirs.

    ON THE WAY OUT- I agree the WTS has always been very dishonest about their past. Isn't it amazing they have been so detailed with the things and instances you mentioned about hiding incriminating articles from years ago ? They are desperate not to have those errors read and noticed. The WT society certainly has got nothing right. Thanks for the link to the " Orwellian World of JW's ". I'll check that out definitely. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Was New Boy posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 01:43:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    "We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory." 1984

    Ah yes the thought police....

    TotallyADD posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:15:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    Hi again flipper. Well you just showed me a another reason why the WT is a cult. I am reading COC for the second time. The power the GB has over their cult victims is amazing. I am at the part on alternate service. The 1000's who went to jail because of the nonsense Knorr and F. Franz made up teachings. How many of the GB disagreed with the thinking but because of 2/3 majority never happened many had to suffer. Then in 1996 it was OK to accept alternate service. With no imformation given on why they changed or why for 50 years they thought it was wrong to accept alternate service. Truly they are masters of the slight of hand teachings. Now you see it. Now you don't. Good thought ( Was New Boy) pointed out in Orwell's 1984 where it says "always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler". That my friends is the new GB motto. Lest we forget the WT is increasingly becoming more and more a dangerous cult. I feel sorry for all the WT cult victims. Totally ADD

    agonus posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:45:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    1984 was written as both a cautionary tale and a satire.

    WT apparently missed both the warning AND the joke.

    They think it's a freaking handbook!

    life is to short posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:13:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    All I can add is great post. I did read the book but it was so long ago thanks for the comparisons.

    The more I know of this religion the scarier it seems.

    LITS

    Retrovirus posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:47:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    A great book, thanks for the reminder.

    Near the start, Winston replaces unfavourable (ungood; even doubleplus ungood) content of a newspaper by writing fiction. Since reading on this site it reminds me of the "Andre" stories and wading through alligator infested swamps to attend meetings. . .

    ssn587 posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 05:03:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    was enabled to enlighten an individual yesterday on some of the society's past, he was amazed at some of the things, didn't realize just how effed up they could really be and realizes that new light just means you have been teaching lies in the past. maybe the light is getting brighter in their head.

    Aussie Oz posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:53:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    Wonder if 1984 is on any GB or writing dept book shelves?

    I'd lay odds on it would be somewhere.

    oz

    punkofnice posted Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:55:00 GMT(8/30/2011)

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    '1984' sums up the WTB$ perfectly.

    I always found it ironic how Winston Smith worked for the 'ministry of truth'! 2 JW buzzwords.

    How the WTB$ encourages hate is summed up by the '2 minute hate' against Goldstein.

    How children would rat on their parents. Just like families are torn apart in the WTB$ for reporting things that their loved ones do that are seen as against the law of the GB who are deemed much higher than God.

    I'm only surprised the novel doesn't contain the term 'apostate'!!

    Tosses flipper a tasty fish!

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