Jehovah's Witnesses & Higher Education

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    minimus posted Tue, 03 May 2011 15:52:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    I believe that JWs demonize higher education so much, that it makes them look like weirdos!

    You and your family are penalized if someone goes to college!

    When I tell any "worldly" (aka "normal" person) that Witnesess view higher education with disdain and ridicule, I always get the same response:

    No one can understand why they will even remove a father who is a fine example to the congregation as an elder or a ministerial servant because he WANTS his child to better him or herself . IT'S CRAZYYY!

    I think this issue is worse in a public relations area than their not accepting blood transfusions. It just makes no sense.

    M prophecor posted Tue, 03 May 2011 15:59:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Serioiusly, Min. No Minesterial Servant no more, just 'cause I no wan't my chilren to werk in a Burger King the rest of dey' life?

    LostGeneration posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:00:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    They haven't been consistent over the years, so JWs have been able to circumvent the GB because you can cherry-pick the advise you want to take.

    With the last elders school hammering it hard, I'm waiting for something in print that really says "Thou shalt not go to college"

    I dunno if they will ever have the balls to go that far, probably just keep hammering away through CO talks and assembly parts.

    minimus posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:07:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    If you allow a family member or sanction the child's decision to go to school, you're out!

    F blondie posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:07:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    In this area if your non-jw father orders/insists you go to college, you must do so and not disobey your father.....seen it happen many times, hiding behind this. I have seen jw women hide behind the "authority" of their non-jw husbands.

    M prophecor posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:07:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Sad. How does anyone in today's world even have the chance to make a life for themselves with out at the very least, going to a technical or trade school of some kind. The unskilled and uneducated haven't got a way out for caring for themselves or a family. I'm a little miffed when I'm reminded of these things. I thought seeking out higer education was wrong as far back as the late 70's. Knowing the world would never last that long. Then the 8o's.....90's....whoa, where did the time....

    minimus posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:08:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Colleges are the breeding grounds for unbelief and independence.

    CuriousButterfly posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:10:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    If you allow a family member or sanction the child's decision to go to school, you're out!

    Not necessarily, it depends on the elder body. The "counsel" that was given is "your responsibility may come into question". So if you have a body that is more lax then they can defend their non action and justify it said "may".

    Mad Sweeney posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:16:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    The June 15, 2011 Watchtower hits higher education again but there is nothing really new there. Same rationale they've used for around the last decade.

    FrankWTower posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:16:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Information control is a common characteristic of cult-like groups. Critical thinking skills and knowledge in general are a threat to the WT, therefore they have been discouraged for decades.

    Where I live most JW children do go to college for either a bachelor's or associate's degree. However, I have yet to know about someone who has left the organization because of their education.

    M leavingwt posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:18:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Fact you won't read in the WT magazine:

    If you go to college and earn a degree prior to Bethel, you'll be treated MUCH better than those who only pioneered.

    minimus posted Tue, 03 May 2011 16:23:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    COs are there to keep elder bodies in line....in line with what Mother is REALLY saying.

    Lunatic Faith posted Tue, 03 May 2011 17:24:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    LIke some have mentioned, it's not a hard line everywhere. There is an elder in my cong whose daughter is attending college. She graduated early from High School and I think she is still under 18 but I see her at the community college all the time and she's not just taking vocational classes. Here, kids under 18 can attend college for a third the price.

    But in that same cong they discouraged a girl from accepting a full scholarship at an Ivy league University back east. Around here, if a kid can attend college and stay under the watchful eye of their parents and cong, its okay. This elders daughter, though, is living a bit of a double life (i.e. sneaking out at night, hanging with boys, swearing, etc.). The cong still thinks she is the perfect little pioneer sister, so I am intrigued to see what happens.

    No Room For George posted Tue, 03 May 2011 17:31:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    The way it was relayed to us at the KM School for Elders, is that if an appointed brother's child living at home started attending college, his qualifications were to be reviewed by the elder body. If the kid still lived at home, and was still attending meetings and going in field service, all the while attending school, the elder or ministerial servant position would be ok. On the other hand, if the kid was away from home at school, but still supported by his/her family, that brother more than likely would be removed. It would even fall under the category of not presiding over his household in a fine manner if my memory serves me correct. If the elder body didn't review the brother's qualifications, as the chairman at our elder school put it, "we'd all be culpable." Those were his exact words, he made it a point not to mince anything he said in this regard, and he paused for emphasis to ensure we caught his drift.

    Something thats been eating at me since thinking about the WT's anti-education policy doctrine is how the WT isn't unlike other Christian denominations when it comes to preaching that life is a precious gift from God. The WT condemns other denominations for supporting war, and individuals for being pro-choice when it comes to abortion. At the same time the WT can't see their own hypocritcal nature when it comes to life being precious considering their anti-blood transfusion policy doctrine, and their anti-education policy doctrine. The reason I include their education policy as being inconsiderate of the gift God gave us, is because they do everything in their power to limit what an individual does with his/her life. Now the WT will say thats not true as we dedicate our lives to God and His Chosen Organization, however I have to ask the question, what are they accomplishing today through that organization? How does it glorify God if its not accomplishing anything more than its own self serving interests?

    I recently attended the special one day circuit assembly, and a handful of people were baptized, with all minus one being young people still living under their parent's roof. I imagine all of the young ones who got dipped were born-ins. Now these same young ones will grow into adulthood, and will continue to attend meetings, go out in field service, and all the other time consuming repetative formalities that are part of being an active Jehovah's Witness. None of these activities bring glory to God, and for a young person or anybody for that matter, to disregard their God given talents and gifts, in order to beck at the whim of a publishing company falsely representing itself as God's channel of communication on the earth today, is to bring dishonor to the gift that God gave to us.

    Think about this, we've all known people who had talents and gifts, only to squander their potential by succumbing to drug or alcohol abuse. There's not much difference between that scenario, or squandering your gifts and talents because a publishing company tells you that to explore your potential and educate yourself is selfish whereas serving as a Regular Pioneer on behalf of a publishing company brings glory to God. Look at it this way............

    Regular Pioneer has a hand in how many converts= 0

    Average Publisher has a hand in how many converts= 0

    Married JW Couple has a hand in how many converts= anywhere from 1-5 on average.

    So field service is largely busybody work and isn't glorifying God, especially considering most JWs would never go out again if turning in field service slips were eliminated tonight. Meetings with half assed talks and poorly prepared demonstrations don't bring honor to God. The second song during the special day assembly had to been one of the most depressing songs I've ever heard in my entire life. It make The Cure's music seem happy in comparison. So it goes without saying, poorly scored music doesn't bring honor to God. Could go on and on, by why bother, you know the deal.

    They want you to avoid a college education that would indicate you value and take your life seriously, so that you can dishonor God by doing wasting your life in repetitious unproductive formalities on behalf of a publishing company accomplishing nothing. Not to mention, JWs by and large make up the WT's audience. JWs are the only ones reading the WT's literature. Crazy!!

    TheClarinetist posted Tue, 03 May 2011 17:37:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    That is a good point, though, LF. After all... an Ivy League University is just a name (Well... Actually it's a football league, but that's a different discussion altogether). She can get an amazing education closer to home... Staying away from the evils of *shudder* coed dorms. Who knows what kind of trouble a full grown adult will get into when they aren't carefully watched 24/7 by their parents and congregation. Thank Jehovahâ„¢ that there's a perfectly good college down the street.

    minimus posted Tue, 03 May 2011 17:39:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    NRFG, great insight.

    Like I said, the elder bodies are supposed to act the way Mother "suggests".

    M oompa posted Tue, 03 May 2011 19:16:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    where is the wt material that says elders and minis must be removed or are not allowed to be servants if their kid goes to college?...

    thanks....oompa

    EntirelyPossible posted Tue, 03 May 2011 19:32:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    I just did a consent decree for my divorce from my JW wife in a few months and a clause I put in was that any monies we split were for the kids post k12 education and, should they not go to college, the monies revert to me. Also, chld support will stop at 18 if they don't go to college AND complete their degree, if they do that it will continue to 22. Also, she can't home school them without my consent. I tied her finances to the kids education. Let's see how that works out for her.

    Room 215 posted Tue, 03 May 2011 20:54:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Ther's nothing really wrong with deciding against college ... IF one has marketable, specialized skills in high demand, and enjoys the manual labor, creativity and problem-solving that go along with them. The whole point is that, except for working illegally or in a criminal enterprise, what one does for a living has nothing whatsover to do with his/her spiritual relationship with God.

    bobld posted Tue, 03 May 2011 21:03:00 GMT(5/3/2011)

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    Isn't it ironic 3rd world countries are senting their children to western countries to get a higher education because they see the value of higher education to escape the proverty of those countries.Yet the GB/FDS tries to get their slaves educated in the languages of these foreingors so they can convert these educated one's to be their D-D slaves.

    Also it has been mentioned by the Faithful slave that even if someone get's a degree,he/she won't necessary get a well paying job and if one does get a good job and makes a lot of money and a good retirement loot he lives and dies so what good did it do him.Do you see the double talk,both sides of their mouth,fork tongue.They are full of IT.

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