Elder arrested for stalking

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    M iceguy posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:28:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Jam your right about the elders that tried to do the right thing and left, some of them are right here on this board and are very helpful.

    Skeeter1 and Carla thanks for that advice. If I can't attend I will search the court case online.

    M iceguy posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 01:43:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Wow!!! What a soap opera! I just found out he told his wife he does not love her anymore, beat her to the point she had to go to the hospital and he likes some other woman and has been stalking her. I also understand the abuse of his wife had been going on for sometime. I can honestly say I never thought he would ever do something like this. I feel bad for his wife and kids.

    Refriedtruth posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:29:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    keep us posted

    RayPublisher posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:55:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    When I was an elder we had a couple situations where they wanted someone to do a "stakeout". It was part of an investigation, they had a report that a brother was sleeping around but couldn't prove it. He was of course ducking us, not answering his phone, etc.

    They wanted me to go down at 5:45 am and wait for him at his shop, that kind of junk. I said "sorry guys, there's NO WAY I'm gonna do a stakeout- I got better things to do, like take care of my family. I'm not a policeman."

    They looked at me like I was from Mars...and then two other elders volunteered...

    Desert Rat posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:31:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Do they really have 'stakeouts' like this?? I remember just after I woke up, and meetings were hit and miss for me, and my husband was working across the state, and we were preparing to move, I got called into the backroom. I was told that 'someone' had informed the elders that a man was seen going into my house after midnight one evening, and that he was there for more than an hour, and then asked if I had anything to say about it.

    I just started laughing... That 'man' was my cousin Jim, who lived two doors over from me, and had come by after he'd got off work, to see what he could do to help me with a half plugged toilet!! I was told that the situation didn't 'look' good having him at the house that late at night. Oh brother! I asked WHO it wouldn't look good too, as all of our neighbors knew we were cousins and were use to seeing us at each others house all the time!

    The matter was dropped. But I did wonder who would have reported that to the elders?? Who also would have known how long he was inside my house? Now I wonder if I could I have been the victim of a 'stakeout'?

    Morbidzbaby posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:03:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Desert Rat - The matter was dropped. But I did wonder who would have reported that to the elders?? Who also would have known how long he was inside my house? Now I wonder if I could I have been the victim of a 'stakeout'?

    Could've been anyone. If you weren't well-liked or were kind of on the fringe, they could have asked a kiss-ass Ministerial Servant who was clamoring to be an elder to do it. Could've been one of the elders themselves. You just never know.

    I stopped caring what other people thought a long time ago. Let them see me doing whatever and try to say "it looks bad". I was out with a few friends (one of whom I had a sort-of friends-but-more thing with) and we were at a restaurant. Now, the guy I was "with" was DEFINITELY worldly-looking. Longish hair, Rob Zombie t-shirt, earings all up one ear, more tattoos than bare skin, goatee, etc. Seated at the table right next to us were 2 elders. One from my former congregation, and one from the congregation that shared that hall. I knew them both. They looked at me oddly like "what is she doing with these people?" and just kept shooting glances at me and speaking in hushed tones. So finally, I got sick of it, got up to go into the bar for a drink, turned around and got right up close to the guy's ear and said in a murmur "those 2 guys behind me are JW elders..." He said "Oh really? Are you gonna be in trouble for being out with me?" So I said "I really don't care anymore. I'm not doing anything wrong!". After that, I gave him a HUGE smooch on the cheek, and said "I'll be right back"...he whacked my ass as I walked away lol.

    About 2 days later, I started getting calls from elders in my own congregation...and a few drop-ins. I refused to talk. Little do they know, the guy was never my boyfriend. We liked each other, but he decided he wanted my best friend instead (ouch), so we were never an item lol. But we WERE close friends and would kiss on the lips and hug, etc, even when he started dating her. She didn't care because he was MY friend before he was HERS.

    I guess what I'm saying is that someone will always make things out to be what they are not IF they want you to get in trouble for any reason. It's why the elder's manual gives an "example" of a single woman having a man alone in her apartment for an extended time or overnight. Who the hell would know unless they were being watched?? And furthermore, who is to say that the guy didn't just need a shoulder to cry on and they spent the whole night talking? Men and women can be friends without it getting physical. To me, giving that example is a covert way of the GB saying "Look, if you suspect it and can catch them in the act with JUST this, you have a case". It's encouraging espionage.

    Coffee House Girl posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:16:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    HAHA Laverite!

    Unfortunately I have not been able to file invasion of privacy charges against my elder as of yet...the "cease and desist" letter to him which I also filed at the area police department must have helped-

    I am actually moving today about 50 minutes away...out of the cong and out of the circuit- so now I am somebody else's problem.

    Yes, you can fight stalking today :)

    CHG

    Mad Sweeney posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:11:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Jw's think they can read peoples hearts and that is why they are so judgemental. I have never in my life been around a group of people more judgemental than them.

    Ain't that the truth? And they deny that they're being judgmental at all. Like they twist everything else, they call it love. Recently a deluded Dub twisted reality even further by telling me that I am shunningthem by not going to the KH anymore. You can't even argue with that sort of thinking.

    M I quit! posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:49:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    Back when I was a single dubster I rented a house with a "brother" who was separated from his wife. He wanted to get a "scriptural divorce" so he decided to stalk his wife to see if she was have sex with anyone. He'd bought a disquise consisting of a wig and sunglasses and had plans of going to her house and peeking in her windows to see what she was up to. He wanted me to go a long as witness when he caught her in the act. I thought he was crazy and told him no. After living with him about a month I could see why his wife left him and ran for the door myself.

    Maybe calling the police is a the best way of dealing with this nonsense. I think if I felt they were watching me I'd put a sign in my window that stated that stalking is illegal and sight whatever statute I could find that would apply.

    Think About It posted Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:55:00 GMT(4/7/2011)

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    They are in such cult thinking, and feel that all those bible passages need to be taken literally that they actually see nothing wrong with stalking, staking out & spying on the private lives of adult people.

    Think About It

    Balaamsass posted Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:41:00 GMT(11/23/2011)

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    LOL!!! "

    "They are in such cult thinking, and feel that all those bible passages need to be taken literally that they actually see nothing wrong with stalking, staking out & spying on the private lives of adult people. "

    trueblue posted Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:46:00 GMT(11/23/2011)

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    Why don't they just ask the holy spirit instead of stalking people, the ____ welfare recipiants anyhow... don't have anything to do so they just waste everyones time. They have no sense of humor either

    Balaamsass posted Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:38:00 GMT(11/24/2011)

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    AvocadoJake posted Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:57:00 GMT(11/24/2011)

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    Is this story in the Newspaper or the "Six Screen of the Watchtower?"

    Band on the Run posted Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:16:00 GMT(11/24/2011)

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    I read recently that elders stake out homes. Evidence of a nonmarital person of the opposite sex just being under the roof can be conclusive proof of adultery. What shocked me is that this is illegal. It raises so many ethical questions. People should not accept it. Call 911. I think people watched too much Dog, the Bounty Hunter. Of course, if your family is enmeshed, calling the police may be a harder decision. They have no right to do it.

    Just their act should be enough to prove you need to flee the group.

    Balaamsass posted Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:35:00 GMT(8/5/2012)

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    Band on the Run posted Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:53:00 GMT(8/5/2012)

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    People routinely report stakeouts at the scene of a suspected liason overnight to disfellowship. Such behavior is stalking. I doubt that they have private investigative licenses. Most people don't seem to realize how outrageous such conduct is.

    What sort of person lies in wait all night long.......A very sick one.

    M CaptainSchmideo posted Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:51:00 GMT(8/5/2012)

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    Has any elder ever been caught for loitering on one of their "stakeouts" on the house of a suspected wrondoer? I would LOVE to hear what kind of explanation they would give....

    Scott77 posted Sun, 05 Aug 2012 05:43:00 GMT(8/5/2012)

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    When I look at Jehovah's Witnesses stalking, I look at the big picture. I say to myself,look! they are mislead by the GB. They are just like papertiger, not knowing what they are doing, people who are looking for trouble in the name of their misguided leaders, individuals who are overzealous and desirous of approval in the eyes of their egostical and studpic leaders. Should you get a gun and shot the stalker while in the act? No, that is like going to far. Should you hire a private detective to catch them in the act? This looks good only if you have the money. Should you report them to Police? This option is desirable and strongly recommended but only if you have the car plate numbers. Police are interested in this. The great thing about stalking is that, it just confirm that the Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion, a cult out to control people in the name of christianity. Like what Ohiocowboy stated in another separate thread: "JW's are notorious for using the "Theocratic Warfare" strategy whenever it suits their own interests, and it rarely matters to them who they hurt along the way."

    Scott77

    Band on the Run posted Sun, 05 Aug 2012 05:53:00 GMT(8/5/2012)

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    A very funny incident happened with a local brother. As soon as my father died, I told my mom I would only attend any future KH meetings if the police dragged me there against my will. I believe I even took out a calendar and marked how many weeks would pass until I reached eighteen. My family attended that night and never again. One of the local brothers took it upon myself to visit "goat hill," where we lived in working class splendor. "Witness valley" was the housing projects. He was white. My mom refused to answer the door. He screamed so that the whole b lock could hear, "Do you love me?" I spied at him out of a curtained side window. He waved his arms with such passion. Knowing him, he was just be a jerk Witness. His heart was good.

    Can you imagine what the neighbors thought of my mom's moral character? It is only so funny b/c her character was unassailable. Everyone in the neighborhood could hear my father humiliating her and her family. My gm, ever the JW, repeated the incident to several KHs.

    He was very worked up about our fade. Perhaps he did have designs on my mom. Maybe my father dying was a stroke of luck (synonym) for him.

    It was certainly a show for the neighborhood. 99.9% of the people were Roman Catholic. I never heard of a priest pulling such a stunt.

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