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    chukky 594 posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:45:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Hi

    Several years ago, before my wife and I left, my 5 yr old daughter got up during the watchtower to cross the aisle to sit with someone else. She tripped on the roving microphone wire and smashed her head on the foot of a metal chair. The bleeding was profuse and an ambulance was called. She still bares the scar. About 9 months ago I decided to sue the local congregation. Many of the elders present the day of the accident witnessed the event, yet they tried ti lie to cover themselves by saying that my daughter must have been running through the hall when she tripped. They said this even though they knew that she had severe cardiac problems at the time and was incapable of running. Anyway, the long and short is, that they settled and I managed to recoup a very small amount of the finances that I had previously given to them.

    I was also wondering if anyone on the forum had had any similar experiences, having sued the local cong/society and won.

    Pitchess Co-Gen posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:49:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    I thought about suing for slander, but they'll just deny it anyway

    drewcoul posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:54:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    When my son was about 2 years old, he fell, and his little fat chin hit the floor of the KH. Poor little guy had to go to the ER and get stitches while I had to hold his head down while he was looking up at me with his big eyes full of tears, not understanding why I wouldn't pick him up and hold him while the doctor was putting stitches in his chin. I seriously think it was nearly as hard on me as it was on him......

    That being said......I NEVER considered suing the congregation, or the KH. Accidents happen and it's not their fault.

    Why people are so litigious and sue happy, these days I don't understand. As long as there isn't any negligence or malice, I don't think it's right to sue. Someone getting hurt shouldn't create a windfall for them, or their parents.

    I feel for your daughter and I understand how traumatic it can be especially with all of the blood and crying etc.......I hope your daughter is doing well now especially her cardiac problems.

    DagothUr posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:00:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    We have wireless microphones even in a 2nd world country like Romania.

    M DT posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:20:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    It is a little odd that a building that is open to the public would have wires in the aisles where people walk. They are dangerous and I have seen people come close to getting hurt. I'm glad you sued and got something for your trouble. A corporation like the Watchtower society makes decisions based on money so it might help prevent others from getting hurt in the future.

    miseryloveselders posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:27:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    That being said......I NEVER considered suing the congregation, or the KH. Accidents happen and it's not their fault.

    Why people are so litigious and sue happy, these days I don't understand. As long as there isn't any negligence or malice, I don't think it's right to sue. Someone getting hurt shouldn't create a windfall for them, or their parents.

    Broken Promises posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:34:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    So, Chukky, when your daughter grows up, are you going to give her this money, presumably with interest?

    chukky 594 posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:40:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Normally I would agree with your comments about the fact that 'accidents happen' and that people shouldnt be so keen to sue. However, for us it wasnt about money. It was about getting something back from all the years,energy expended, finances, lost career opportunities, psychological damage etc that was inflicted by this organization on my family. I guess That we felt that we could inflict some damage upon them for a change, instead of the other way around

    regards

    chukky

    chukky 594 posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:42:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Broken promises

    Yes. It is in a bank account for her and it will be hers when she is 18

    chukky

    Lore posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:07:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Remind me never to invite you to my house for dinner or anything. Your daughter might fall against my wall and slash the side of her face open on a light switch and I'd never be able to afford it.

    drewcoul posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:17:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Ahhhhh....I see.

    Your principles are subjective. Very nice. You didn't see fit to seek damages at the time, but waited several years, before the statute of limitations ran out to sue.

    If you were a principled person, your view of the congregation would have zero to do with whether you felt they were liable for the damages. Obviously you didn't feel they were liable at the time, but as your animosity toward the congregation grew, and after you left, you felt you could go back and grind an axe.

    I'm glad I don't know you.

    miseryloveselders posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:21:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Remind me never to invite you to my house for dinner or anything. Your daughter might fall against my wall and slash the side of her face open on a light switch and I'd never be able to afford it.

    Ahhhhh....I see.

    Your principles are subjective. Very nice. You didn't see fit to seek damages at the time, but waited several years, before the statute of limitations ran out to sue.

    If you were a principled person, your view of the congregation would have zero to do with whether you felt they were liable for the damages. Obviously you didn't feel they were liable at the time, but as your animosity toward the congregation grew, and after you left, you felt you could go back and grind an axe.

    I'm glad I don't know you.

    I swear I'm such a coward, because I didn't want to come out and say it. I was thinking it the whole time, but just couldn't bring myself to hit the submit tab.

    Lore posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:24:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Your principles are subjective. Very nice. You didn't see fit to seek damages at the time, but waited several years, before the statute of limitations ran out to sue.
    If you were a principled person, your view of the congregation would have zero to do with whether you felt they were liable for the damages. Obviously you didn't feel they were liable at the time, but as your animosity toward the congregation grew, and after you left, you felt you could go back and grind an axe. I'm glad I don't know you.

    I dunno, dispite what I just said. (Which I was serious about by the way. I would never let anyone in my car or on my property if I knew they sued over that.) I think that's a bit harsh.

    They STRONLY discourage pressing charges, even when they are warrented. You're not supposed to sue a brother. So now that the threat of being shunned is gone, that doesn't mean his principles have changed, it just means he's now free to act on them without the horrible consequence of loosing contact with everyone he cares about.

    This is why child abuse cases stay hidden for so long. Even though the person SHOULD have pressed charges at the time, they feel like they can't because of the social pressure to just 'forgive and forget'.

    Giordano posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:44:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Why people are so litigious and sue happy, these days I don't understand. As long as there isn't any negligence or malice, I don't think it's right to sue. Someone getting hurt shouldn't create a windfall for them, or their parents.

    Of course you understand....it's about the nature of accidents and being held responsible. If the congregation opted not to have wireless mics then they had the obligation of making sure the wires didn't create a dangerous situation and should an injury result due to their neglience they should have addressed the issue of their responsibility first and stepped up and helped with the costs. Didn't they have liability insurrance? They got off lucky considering that she also had sereve heart problems..........So good for Chukky and his family.

    Beside which Who is more litigious then the WTBTS? They rejoice in that. They are always ready, willing and able to go to court.

    sabastious posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:48:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    I swear I'm such a coward

    Yikes, miz, such harsh critique of yourself this morning!

    -Sab

    miseryloveselders posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:00:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Yikes, miz, such harsh critique of yourself this morning!

    -Sab

    Ya know I was thinking what Lore and Drew posted, but I just didn't want to come out and say it. The kid factor made me hesitant, as well as the OP being a newbie. I'd hate to turn off any newbies to this forum. However, I personally just don't agree with suing in a situation like that. There's a certain ethic that was tossed out the window in this case. The kid is playing at the park on the monkey bars, and gets hurt, so you sue the city, or the kid hit her head off of the door knob in an apartment, so you sue to the landlord. I don't agree with that mentality.

    simon17 posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:03:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    That being said......I NEVER considered suing the congregation, or the KH. Accidents happen and it's not their fault.

    Why people are so litigious and sue happy, these days I don't understand. As long as there isn't any negligence or malice, I don't think it's right to sue. Someone getting hurt shouldn't create a windfall for them, or their parents.

    Another thumbs up to this.

    Its just an accident!

    M Finally-Free posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:23:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    I think there are times when a lawsuit is justified and other times not. Once I was out in service and I slipped on some ice in someone's driveway and injured my right knee, which eventually needed surgery. I could have sued but didn't. I didn't want to generate any animosity against the JWs either. Besides, it was private property and I was uninvited.

    A few years later I had another accident. I went to a small plaza next door to mail a letter. I slipped on some ice, fell, and injured my left knee. I had surgery that same day where my cartiledge and a small piece of my left femur were removed. That particular part of the parking lot was alongside a small butcher shop, where they habitually threw buckets of soapy water out of the door and on to the lot. The ice couldn't be seen because it was covered with about an inch of snow. The ambulance attendents had hell trying to get me into the wagon because they kept slipping on the same ice. Meanwhile, workers were in the plaza putting Christmas decorations on the lamp standards instead of trying to make the place a little safer for people to walk. Yes, I sued successfully.

    My lawyer told me it was good I contacted him asap, because there was a limited time where a person could file a claim for an accident like that. It probably depends on local laws, but here you can't wait months or years before you decide to sue someone.

    W

    chukky 594 posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:36:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Miseryloveselders

    I think that you are judging without knowing the whole situation.

    My mother-in-law was remained a JW for several years after my wife and I left. Even though I had thought about suing before, we refrained out of any potential repurcussions in our relationship. My mother-in-law has been out for a year now.

    chukky

    miseryloveselders posted Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:54:00 GMT(2/21/2011)

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    Miseryloveselders

    I think that you are judging without knowing the whole situation.

    My mother-in-law was remained a JW for several years after my wife and I left. Even though I had thought about suing before, we refrained out of any potential repurcussions in our relationship. My mother-in-law has been out for a year now.

    chukky

    Even if you were a visitor to the kingdom hall, and this situation happened, I'd still view suing as inappropriate. It was an accident, and pardon me if this comes off abrasive, but your child's feet and inattention were as much at fault as the microphone chord. Children are clumsy, careless, they don't pay attention, and things happen. It's expected with children. I might view things differently if the brother purposely used the chord to trip your little girl, but that doesn't appear to be the case. On a happy note, I am glad you and your family are out of the cancer.

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