JWs love that " new generation" teaching- yes, they do.


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    M moshe posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:35:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    Why do I say that? From a discussion I had with an active sister this past week. They had no "issues" with accepting the new generation understanding at all, she said. All the brothers agreed with the reasoning, apparently there were no protests, murmerings or complaints. I felt her out by saying that my KH had 3 or 4 who left over it, " Oh, Really?" I could tell she didn't see that from where she was sitting.

    While the JWs weren't exactly doing cartwheels and backflips for joy over it, they really had no option but to accept the teaching as bona fide, new light from the bogus F&DS class.


    Time was runninng out for the old 1914 generation, and very soon the JWs were going to have to admit their entire 1914 generation dogma was- gasp - FALSE!

    They couldn't stomach that option- having to admit to the world they wasted their entire lives following the flawed chronologies of their crackpot WT leaders.

    Much like a physically beaten/abused wife with no place to go, the JWs can only cling to the false belief that tomorrow will be a better day.

    For the cowed JWs, the deadline to facing reality about 1914 has been postponed (and not a minute too soon) and buried now for another 20-30 years. The JWs can continue on with their pathetic and wasted lives just like nothing has changed.

    designs posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:41:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    I remember having the discussion with my son when he asked 'what's changed with you Dad', I no longer believe in a God who will destroy humanity or civilization or this earth. That led into a discussion on 2000 year old concepts of Anthropomorphic gods in the age of String Theory.

    Nickolas posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:09:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    I understand what you are saying, moshe, and how frustrating the realization is. Yesterday I had a devastating discussion with a Jehovah's Witness on the WTS blood policy. This person was not aware, or had somehow forgotten, that there was a change in 2000 that allowed the use of hemoglobin for the first time. They were skeptical. But when I also said that even bovine hemoglobin is allowed, I got full blown incredulity. I must have stumbled upon some apostate site, they said. But I got the information from the official watchtower.org site and being confronted with the proof caused a tense session of denial followed by walking out on me. Why does this person believe so strongly in this Society that it cannot possibly do any tiniest bit of harm? Feh.

    Ding posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:26:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    Having bought themselves another 20-30 years, one option they have is to use 120 years of Noah warning his generation as a type and starting hyping 2034 as 120 years after 1914.

    When that doesn't pan out, it will be their successors' problem to come up with an explanation.

    The other alternative is to completely phase out mentioning 1914 (except as the date for Jesus' "invisible parousia") and focus solely on wars, terrorist attacks, etc. to hype the imminence of Armageddon.

    Sapphy posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:44:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    Ding - one option they have is to use 120 years of Noah warning his generation as a type and starting hyping 2034 as 120 years after 1914.

    I think that idea is in the back of many JWs minds, well the ever shrinking proportion who actually care about "that prophecy stuff". However it doesnt really work since 120 years to a man who lives 600 years is proportionate to about 15 years for a man who lives 75 years.

    They absolutely need to phase out 1914. It was 96 years ago. It didn't even occur in my grandparents living memory! It doesn't mean anything anymore.

    Actually, the real flood parallel, if the society had its way, would be God telling Noah to build an ark and preach about a flood that would happen several generations after Noah died.

    OUTLAW posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:52:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    Jehovah`s Witness Cattle will accept any New Light they are given..

    "Oh Look!..New Light!"..


    ........................... ...OUTLAW

    Nickolas posted Sat, 27 Nov 2010 21:55:00 GMT(11/27/2010)

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    More like a moth to a flame.

    wasblind posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:39:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    Nickolas said:

    " But I got the information from the official watchtower.org site and being confronted with the proof caused a tense session of denial followed by walking out on me "

    trust, you hit a nerve, he won't sleep tonight,

    this person, if a lifer, just had his world shook up,

    that's why he left, yep he left, but he took his thoughts with him

    Nickolas posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:49:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    wasblind, I hope you are right. If you are, I will buy you the best steak dinner you ever had. Deal?

    agonus posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:50:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    You know, the WT gave itself an out back in 1995 when the understanding of "the generation" changed from "a definite period of time" to "a group of people", leaving out the chronological element, thereby no longer being bound to further date-setting, speculation, and inevitable disappointment. They should have left well enough alone...

    BUT NOOO!!! The geniuses of GB 2.0, never ones to learn from anyone else's (much less their own) mistakes, went back to the "it's a definite period of time" again, only this time it's TWO OVERLAPPING "definite periods of time", furthering speculation and disappointment YET AGAIN.

    Sigh. And when those two definite periods of time run out, will they go back to the "it's people, not chronology" explanation again?

    I hope they aren't around that long. I doubt they will be, at least in any recognizable form.

    Nickolas posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 00:56:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    I am beginning to feel very tired.

    wasblind posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:21:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    Oh boy , that's a deal !!!!!!

    I just hope he can handle it mentally

    everybody can't deal with the "real" truth

    diamondiiz posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:38:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    Really, how many jws think deeply on wts teachings? I know I was a follower when it came to dogma. Generation meant this or that.....it really didn't matter as I wasn't serving God for a date. I didn't think of putting 1+1 together to realize that the whole 1914 was bogus and tht 607 was only wts teaching. There were many teaching I didn't put together to realize the whole religion was a joke. How many here, when they were sincere believers knew that the whole world didn't believe Jerusalem fell in 607BC but 587??? How many could explain it without going into the wts publications and reading it someone who actually asked about it? In fact most outsiders never ask jws at the door the right questions for a jw to actually think deeply about what they are preaching.

    So with the new generation teachings, most don't care about small things that don't appear to be a big deal. If wts came out and said 1914 is just another date, that would be different because a number that's imprinted in jw mind would jump out and they would have to think about it but what if wts said 1914 was wrong but fds were still chosen in 1919? Would jw question 1919 as many don't even think of 1919 as an important date which is based on 1914 theology? As long as jws are doing their routine and 1914 isn't changed they will continue to follow the gb without much hesitation until one day they wake up to realize they were conned. We who came to understand the wts fraud can see clearly why generation is changed and it is a big deal to us but to the cult mentality it's nothing major as they cannot connect the dots without a someone to guide them.

    Nickolas posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:05:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    Oh boy , that's a deal !!!!!!

    deal it is. This could take awhile, but I won't forget. Bookmarking this thread.

    agonus posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:10:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    I'm not sure I buy into the idea that most Witnesses are "not serving Jehovah with a date in mind." One of the whole selling points of the religion is that The End Is Just So Damned Close We Can Taste It. The WT warns against dubs serving "with a date in mind", but they just keep going back to date-setting, over and over and over again, and refuse to drop 1914 (which is, yes, a date).

    factfinder posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:10:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    @diamondiiz- you are right. My jw brother has no trouble accepting the new generation teaching at all. He gladly accepts what the GB ("The Slaaaaave" as he calls it!) comes out with. Most jws will never bother to think deeply on these things. I knew 607BCE was not accepted by the world, but the world was run by Satan so it did not matter! I keep hoping something will get my brother to wake up regarding "the truth" but I doubt it will happen. They are just too willing to accept any "new light" the gb throws at them no matter what it is. As long as they are held captive to the" God's organization/ faithful slave" concept they just can't break free.

    factfinder posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:13:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    @agonus-the only witness I ever see is always telling me the end is so close. If they did not believe that they'd have no reason to continue being witnesses.

    agonus posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:15:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    When was the last convention that neglected to mention How Deep We Are Into The Time Of The End?

    Nickolas posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:15:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    agonus, you have nailed it. If the "date in mind" is "imminent", then it might just as well be graven in stone. +/- a couple of years within the context of eternity is a snail's fart. This is the fallacy of the Watchtower.

    Nickolas posted Sun, 28 Nov 2010 04:41:00 GMT(11/28/2010)

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    Well done.


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