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Jehovah's Witness deal riles Aurora neighbors

    F LisaRose posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:26:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    News article about an assembly hall being built in the Denver area http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16411460

    Cthulhu posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:32:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Yes, the ASSembly HELL might "close at 4:30" but they fail to mention this means that attendees won't leave until six due to "spiritual association" and cleaning, leading to, yes, more rush hour traffic.

    cameo-d posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:36:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    "When Serenity Ridge was developed by Neumann Homes of Illinois, there was was an agreement to build a pool and clubhouse adjacent in the next phase of the project. " Looks like the residents bought into a neighborhood based on a promise that turned out to be fraudulent. Looks like they were sold a deal under false pretenses. But then, who needs a pool in Colorado? (Unless its indoor heated). Perhaps there is a conspiracy to lower the value of homes, get the entire objectionable worldy neighborhood to move out....and then move in select JW members. Maybe the next big move for the cult will be exclusive JW villages.

    VM44 posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:38:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Jehovah's Witness deal riles Aurora neighbors

    By Carlos Illescas
    The Denver Post
    Posted: 10/23/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

    AURORA — Residents in the Serenity Ridge neighborhood are upset by plans to sell nearby land for a massive Jehovah's Witness assembly hall, the first such hall in Colorado.

    The 50,000-square-foot hall would be built on about 22 acres on the southeast corner of East Smoky Hill Road and South Oak Hill Way in southeast Aurora. It would seat 2,900 people and have up to 1,000 parking spots, according to preliminary plans.

    The property had been slated for the second phase of the Serenity Ridge neighborhood, which was to include a pool and clubhouse.

    But the original developer went out of business and the new group that bought it from the bank is negotiating a sale to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    "I'm angry at the situation," said Carrelle DeSimone, who lives in Serenity Ridge, which is across the street from the proposed assembly hall. "There's a right place to build that, and it's not here."

    Neighbors worry the assembly hall will bring unwanted traffic and lower their property values.

    As it is now, there is only one access point into the property, with no traffic light at the intersection. The added traffic would clog neighborhood streets, they say.

    Richard Frank, one of the investors who own the property, said he understands residents' concerns but said the assembly hall will not have as big an impact as some neighbors think.

    The assembly hall would not be in use on Mondays through Thursdays and would be open only 42 weekends a year and would close at 4:30 p.m. each day. He also said the property would be gated and that the building would sit in a valley below area homes and the roadway.

    "The building is well set off the street. You won't even be able to see it," Frank said.

    No deal has been finalized, but one seems imminent.

    "We are in serious negotiations with the developer," said Don Day, chairman of the Denver Colorado Assembly Hall of Jehovah's Witness.

    Day said concerns from the neighborhood will be addressed when a site plan is submitted to the city.

    Solutions could include adding more access to the assembly hall site so that the surrounding neighborhoods would see less traffic, and a traffic light at the existing intersection.

    Jim Sayre, manager of zoning and development review for Aurora, said the property is zoned for medium density and allows for places of worship.

    There are fewer than 50 Jehovah's Witness Assembly Halls across the United States and none in Colorado, Day said. They are used for family Bible education, he said. There are smaller Kingdom Halls throughout the state and country.

    There are about 22,500 Jehovah's Witnesses in Colorado, Frank said.

    Members are expected to participate in door-to-door evangelism, a minimum of 10 hours a month, which includes distribution of the Watchtower magazine.

    When Serenity Ridge was developed by Neumann Homes of Illinois, there was was an agreement to build a pool and clubhouse adjacent in the next phase of the project.

    But after Frank and his group bought the property, they let an August deadline pass for the clubhouse and pool in the original site plan.

    While residents of Serenity Ridge are concerned, some living in neighboring Tallyn's Reach said it's OK for the assembly hall to be built as long as safety measures are taken.

    Keri Spring of Tallyn's Reach said her children cross East Smoky Hill Road near the proposed assembly hall on their way to school.

    "I have no preference," she said. "But if they are going to build it, there needs to be safety precautions."

    Staff writer Electa Draper contributed to this report Carlos Illescas: 303-954-1175 or cillescas@denverpost.com

    M OnTheWayOut posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:40:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Thanks for posting that.

    Richard Frank, one of the investors who own the property, said he understands residents' concerns but said the assembly hall will not have as big an impact as some neighbors think.

    He doesn't really know and doesn't care. Ultimately, it will probably be done because the first group went bankrupt. Cult money speaks louder than empty lots. The article tackles two issues and merges them. It seems that current residents are losing a pool and clubhouse and gaining the JW's. Of course that will not help property values.

    Jim Sayre, manager of zoning and development review for Aurora, said the property is zoned for medium density and allows for places of worship.

    Yeah, but even a megachurch wouldn't be as big as an assembly hall.

    Members are expected to participate in door-to-door evangelism, a minimum of 10 hours a month, which includes distribution of the Watchtower magazine.

    I like how they don't do research anymore. There is no 10-hour minimum. They count everyone that puts in 1-hours, some even put in 15-minutes.

    cameo-d posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:44:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Members are expected to participate in door-to-door evangelism, a minimum of 10 hours a month, which includes distribution of the Watchtower magazine.

    I like how they don't do research anymore. There is no 10-hour minimum. They count everyone that puts in 1-hours, some even put in 15-minutes. And that neighborhood will forever be picking up their littera-trash from the sidewalks and doorsteps. The neighborhood will be an easy target to drop all the mags and say they have done their "time".

    M Momma-Tossed-Me posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:52:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Ok, so couple of things to look out for here:

    Access is poor, and they are going to build it in a valley, sounds like someone is trying to MAKE this site work for an assembly hall. It wouldn't surprise me if the group that bought it had at least one Witness involved with it or, perhaps the facilitator of this transaction is a witness.

    The reason I say this is a site was made to work here in Florida at the Daytona Beach site and there was a brother involved who got a lot of money from the sale and the site prep costs were $1,000,000 more than anticipated because this piece of swampland was selected due to this brothers involvement. There were much better sites that would have cost millions less in the purchase price as well as the poor site selection that was made by the bros. But of course it is no fault of the Watchtower and they just have to pass these costs along to the rank and file. Let's see the R&F pay for the site and improvements, then they pay to use the building, and they don't even own the building.

    The other thing to consider is that if the neighborhood is smart they will ask for a park or public pool or something. The watchtower will give them something to hush their mouths if they just ask. At least they will get something out of this raw deal. Because they bring up that the facility won't be used during the week but will be used, 42 WEEKENDS PER YEAR. There are only 52 weekends a year. It will be in use when these people are trying to enjoy their weekends and let their kids play outside and go places. Imagine all of the logical traffic concerns these people have.

    One good point that was brought out in the article was:

    Members are expected to participate in door-to-door evangelism, a minimum of 10 hours a month, which includes distribution of the Watchtower magazine.

    They are expected to go into service a MINIMUM of 10 hours a month. They are expected to place the Watchtower. That won't appeal to anyone who would be interested or firm up someone resolve to tell them to get lost when they come to the door.

    I wonder if God expects a minimum of 10 hours per month, ahhh what am I thinking????

    F jamiebowers posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:21:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Maybe the Watchtower can appease the residents by offering the baptismal pool for swimming, LOL! I feel sorry for this neighborhood. More often than not, traffic is going to be horrendous on the weekends.

    OUTLAW posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:38:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Guess which neighbourhood is going to be worked by JW`s in the FS.. "Every" Weekend?..

    Who wants up to 1,000 extra cars in the Neighbourhood,every frigg`n weekend?..

    Can you imagine the Air Quality on Weekends?..The traffic jams?..

    I wouldn`t want them in my neighbourhood..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

    ziddina posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:35:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Heh, heh... I'll have to drive by that location...

    Wish I had 50 copies of "Crisis of Conscience" to pass out in the neighborhood - I think I WILL take my 1984 version of "Crisis of Conscience" and leave it with whichever one of the neighbors seems most opposed to having the assembly hall built there...

    And guess what I am SOOO tempted to do, "if" I happened to have a copy of the latest elders book...

    Hell, I might even take pictures and post them on this thread....

    Zid

    ziddina posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:48:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    "There are about 22,500 Jehovah's Witnesses in Colorado, Frank said. ..."

    Well now,...

    That explains a lot...

    I've often wondered why I haven't seen more JWs out in service, especially up here in Thornton, Colorado, which is a nice little "bedroom community" suburb of Denver...

    But - ONLY 22,500 JWs in all of Colorado??? Why, Denver [that's Denver with suburbs ranging from Broomfield to Aurora...] alone has over 2.5 million people!!!

    Another sign that they're dying out - or at least, falling behind... The growth of Colorado has far out-stripped the 'growth' - if there was any - of the local Jehovah's Witnesses...

    Zid

    ziddina posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:51:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Oh, and Cameo-d?

    YES, they definitely NEED A POOL IN COLORADO!!!

    ESPECIALLY in Aurora, which is about as far away from the mountains as you can get - the terrain begins to look - and feel - like Kansas, when one gets that far east!!! And HOT!!!! Aurora gets REALLY HOT in the summertime!!

    I grew up in Aurora, so I'm speaking from experience, here... Well, Aurora, Broomfield, and a year spent in South Dakota - my parents moved around a lot when I was a kid.

    Just sayin'...

    Zid

    OUTLAW posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:52:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    JW Assembly Traffic..

    In..

    Serenity Ridge Neighbourhood..

    Thank God it Only happens Every Weekend..

    ...................... ...OUTLAW

    Dark Side posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:08:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Jehovah's Witness deal riles Aurora neighbors

    By Carlos Illescas
    The Denver Post

    "I'm angry at the situation," said Carrelle DeSimone, who lives in Serenity Ridge, which is across the street from the proposed assembly hall. "There's a right place to build that, and it's not here."

    Maybe they should build a Mosque instead

    wasblind posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:41:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    This would be a good time to alert the nieghborhood on what the JW's are all about

    wasblind posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:43:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Maybe some exJW in the area could send out fliers letting them know what they are in for

    Satanus posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:44:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    On sundays, the nieghbors could always take their kids wading in the baptismal pool. Afterall, the assembly IS open to the public. It's a small concession to make the nieghborhood kids happy. They might even like the assembly junk food, after their dip.

    S

    OUTLAW posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:47:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Satanus..

    No more food at assemblys..Thats long gone..

    ...................... ...OUTLAW

    Bitch on Parade posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 21:57:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    I agree with wasblind, someone needs send out fliers. Then the people will not only have traffic to take into consideration, but the fact that they're going to be so close to cult activity.

    GLTirebiter posted Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:57:00 GMT(10/23/2010)

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    Check the location on Googlemaps: search for "Smoky Hill and Oak Hill, Aurora CO". What appears to be the future driveway for this property is directly opposite the main access road (Millbrook Way) to a subdivison on the north side of Oak Hill. I think the traffic concerns are valid; filling and emptying a 1000 space parking lot 43 weekends a year would overwhelm a residential feeder road like Oak Hill.

    This is the "#1 most-clicked article" on the Post's web site today--thanks, in part, to JWN!

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