Was the legend about Smurfs being demonic just an urban legend, or was it mentioned in the literature?

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    IsaacJ22 posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:16:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    I never heard about the Smurfs being evil until I joined the forum. But when I look in the Volume Library, the word doesn't come up. I was wondering if anyone ever heard mention of it in the literature--as in, was it an official position?

    Also, I've been told that Mork & Mindy was seen as a bad thing because they were living together, but unmarried. (Like Mork was getting all kinds of action...right.) I think my wife told me that one. No references found there, either. Were both of these just local complaints/urban legends, or were they "legit" complaints from the Society's leadership?

    I'm working on something right now--a podcast for my site, actually. If these problems were unofficial, maybe I can find some other complaints that were equally silly to include by searching the forums. If anyone wants to suggest a few, that would be helpful, too.

    Thanks for your help.

    M Black Sheep posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:19:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    It was just another JW urban myth that did the rounds.

    I heard it here in New Zealand.

    M new light posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:34:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    The Smurfs thing was just word of mouth as far as I know. One story that made the rounds was that a JW boy had Smurf curtains in his bedroom and one night the little buggers climbed off the curtains and walked about the room. I'm sure the story ended with him yelling out "Jehovah" and being saved.

    Back in 1990-91, the Simpsons were mentioned from the assembly platform as being an evil influence. Not demonic per se, but debasing.

    teel posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:36:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    I only heard about the smurfs on the forums, but there was the urban legend about the two sisters visiting a serial killer, who left them alone, because he has seen two big and muscular guys behind the sisters - the angels accompanying them in FS. This is doing the rounds here in eastern Europe, and as I read on this forum, in US too.

    IsaacJ22 posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:48:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Well, guess I'll have to remove a few of my wise cracks. ::Sniff:: Thanks everybody.

    finallyfree! posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:16:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Yep I heard the same story about the smurf curtains. (Wouldn't mind if smurfette jumped into my bed!! She is the hottest smurf ever!! I also heard another smurf story about smurf stickers and when they were ripped they started bleeding. What imagination they have!

    MMXIV posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:17:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    As a child in 1983 I heard that two toy smurfs came alive and savagely bit a sleeping baby and then climbed out the window. It concerned me at the time that this crime could be pinned on two missing cuddly toys. I was told it by an elders son and wasn't allowed to watch the smurfs again. I never heard any of this from the platform or read it in a magazine because I was listening/looking out for it.

    MMXIV

    elderelite posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:45:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    one thing you may want to look up..... there were some "pop culture" phenomenon that were criticized in the pages of the awake, usually watching the world. A few examples I recall were something called "garbage pail kids" ( there were very popular in my area) and Pokémon. The blurbs were short but they showed an overreaction to something basically innocent.

    F lisavegas420 posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:57:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    I heard the story in the early to mid 80's. I went to an elder to ask if it was true, because my children loved the smurfs. He said not to worry about it until an article or a talk was given about them. There was no articles or talks.

    There are several interesting urban legends I've heard since being here. One is the number of people that weren't allowed to eat Lucky Charms cereal. Cereal..for crying out loud.

    I only heard about the smurfs on the forums, but there was the urban legend about the two sisters visiting a serial killer, who left them alone, because he has seen two big and muscular guys behind the sisters - the angels accompanying them in FS. This is doing the rounds here in eastern Europe, and as I read on this forum, in US too.

    My husband heard this story as a kid, he was raised as a Baptist (was never a JW) and it was a older chruch Brother that was preaching that this happened to back in the 40's.

    lisa

    TheClarinetist posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:04:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    one thing you may want to look up..... there were some "pop culture" phenomenon that were criticized in the pages of the awake, usually watching the world. A few examples I recall were something called "garbage pail kids" ( there were very popular in my area) and Pokémon. The blurbs were short but they showed an overreaction to something basically innocent.

    I don't remember them criticizing Pokemon per se... I think they talked about the infamous Porygon seizures incident... Though I do remember having to defend my ass off about my extensive Pokemon collection. (Which is quickly becoming more extensive ^_^)

    I heard a bit about the smurfs in the Lie, but the big thing I remember hear about being evil was the Cabbage Patch Kids.

    M poppers posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:39:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    They may not have been "true" from an official WT position, but surely they know of these urban legends. Can they really to blind to the fact that those types of things continue to flourish? I doubt it; they serve a useful purpose because of the climate of fear they instill in people. If they were honest they would have specifically mentioned something about the ridiculous nature of that type of thing to quash people's tendency to spread fear. The fact that they haven't means they have given their tacit approval for them, and in that way they keep a tight rein on the flock with another layer of fear. What's obvious in all of this is that the WT breeds the devolpment of fear in people, if not directly through their official teachings indirectly through the contaminating nature those teachings have on people's minds.

    ex-witness posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:43:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Smurfs were communists. I don't see why the JWs had a problem with them. The male smurfs never got laid, and Smurfette knew her place and kept it. And the oldest, Papa Smurf, was the leader. Isn't that what JWs want? No sex, women kept in "their place" and to listen to the ramblings of dottering old men far out of touch from reality?

    elderelite posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:49:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Dear god, man your right! Paint us blue and who could tell the differance?

    MMXIV posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:01:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    I would never join any organisation where the ratio of male to female was 99 to 1, even if that 1 was smurfette

    MarcusScriptus posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:43:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    This takes me back. I know the actual origins of the story. It involves a toy store and a circuit overseer I used to know when I was still associated with the Witnesses (I show my age on this one). It involves a toy store once featured on the ABC television program That’s Incredible! and an unfortunate coincidence that, in connection with JW fears and superstitions, got blown out of proportion.

    The Smurfs are actually very old cartoon creations from France, and figurines and toys have been produced based on these characters since their introduction in the late 1950s. They only came to the attention of the “out-of-touch” American with the Saturday morning cartoon that premiered in the 1980s. If you were hip to, and especially educated in world affairs, politics, even modern art and the latest in humor, the name “Peyo” was a household word, the pseudonym of famous Belgian comic-artist Pierre Culliford. His signature alone is one of the most famous and identifiable next to the likes of John Hancock and Walt Disney.

    In the late 1970s there were published reports that a Toys-R-Us toys store in Sunnyvale, California was haunted. While I personally don’t hold to the particulars and theories of paranormal investigation and parapsychology, apparently some very hard-to-explain photographs and eyewitness testimonies drew public attention to the extent of attracting the eye of the producers of a pseudo-news/entertainment program called That’s Incredible. It was a series like the many Ripley’s Believe It or Not programs that have existed throughout the decades, highlighting mysterious and fascinating stories like paranormal phenomenon. Back then they “tested” the haunting by means of a psychic and seance (I can't help but snicker at this type of “testing”), and they got back their own intersting (if not creepy, regardless of your take on these things) results. See more here.

    Again, as a man given to the scientific method I don’t subscribe to psychic claims nor can I endorse the findings of any type of paranormal investigation past or present. While the phenomenon of “hauntings” or sightings of “ghosts” are as old as history, I’m leaving that in the field of anyone reading this to decide whatever about that story and the connection it has to the following.

    Now, it turns out that a JW family with children purchased a few toys from this same Toys-R-Us. Shortly thereafter they themselves were involved in a series of events that paranormal investigators today refer to as a “poltergeist attack,” a short-lived series of phenomena that usually involve the movement of objects, strange sounds, and the like without any discernable apparition or connection to previous or subsequent events. They generally occur in a home with a child entering puberty and last for six to nine months, according to the paranormal and parapsychology theories regarding poltergeists.

    According to the circuit overseer who was involved in the investigation of the events, one child in particular in the home suffered a “beating” from flying toys purchased at this same Toys-R-Us. While it could not be confirmed that there was any connection with the actual haunting of the Sunnyvale store, the elders advised the family to dispose of all items purchased there, one of which was a stuffed Smurf which happened to be one of the actual items involved. And that is the end of the actual story.

    The details were never supposed to be released or spoken about. But about the same time NBC began to broadcast the Smurf animated cartoon. Obviously someone involved leaked out just enough details as to create a flood of fascination with the occult that always exists among the Witnesses. A vacuum had recently been left by the snuffing out the Procter and Gamble/Satanist connections that so many of the Witnesses had been circulating during the 1970s (which had replaced Satanic Nabsico putting blood in Oreos, so I am told), and being what vacuums are, they abhor being empty.

    Being that most Witnesses are not well-educated in political matters (Peyo and the Smurfs had a strong connection with world intrigue) or the latest in artistic culture for that matter, it was easy for them to invent a totally different history connecting Peyo’s creations to pagan demonic types.

    By the late 1980s the story had developed that The Watchtower itself had published a series of articles banning the Smurfs (no such articles ever appeared, let alone an actual series of three studies, which is the worst of the stories I can recall). When the Society did away with formal “marking” of fellow Witnesses, those who liked this way of separating themselves for other JWs they didn’t like used the Smurfs as a means of what in some places became like localized witch-hunts, disciplining and “marking” individuals as “bad association” because they were of households that watched the Smurfs.

    I even remember hearing a conversation between two JW wives about how grateful they were that the Watchtower had published “those study articles” connecting Smurfs to demons. “I used to watch that show and loved it, but now I realize how there was a bewitching quality to that theme song that they used to just draw me in, so I was powerless to fight it off.”

    I was in Texas at the time this got out of hand, with some elders even claiming they had read these actual Watchtower articles about the Smurfs and were only acting on the best of their memories about them to keep the “flock” in line with the F & D Slave’s “latest meat” from above. This overseer had to privately give instruction to several groups of elders, apparently, though this last point I can only say I gathered from our conversations.

    I also only know this much I am sharing because I was being hounded by a sister who was one of these Anti-Smurfs-I-read-it-in-the-Watchtower-itself individuals who was misleading members of my congregation who were members of family’s who enjoyed the program. I approached the overseer who was a friend at the time and discussed the details with me.

    It just so happened that I knew of the Sunnyvale haunting even before this as I worked in television for years, and was aware of the reports of this highly publicized event.

    Final note, the overseer and I agreed that if the toy involved had been a Snoopy, you would have seen Witnesses go after the Peanuts gang in the same manner. (And funny, I had no idea the Smurf legends had left Texas.)

    baltar447 posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:49:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Wow Marcus! Thanks for that Smurf origin story! That's awesome.

    pirata posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:51:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    There are not any hits for "Smurf" or "Smurfs" in the 2009 Watchtower Library.

    F lisavegas420 posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:57:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    Thanks Marcus, I had never heard that part of the story.

    lisa

    Darth plaugeis posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:00:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    The Smurf-mania in the 80's was real.

    Any JW around will remember the talking out on service etc. Hell I can't even remember if I actually heard a Smurf Story from the Providence or Springfield Conventions in the early 80's.

    I swear a story came from the platform.. but it was so long ago and it was about Smurfs and I did worry alot more about life than Smurf Damnation.

    When we came back from the Convention it seemed to explode. So most kids ended up watching HE-Man instead.....

    and that is another Thread in the Makin'

    sabastious posted Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:02:00 GMT(9/6/2010)

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    I heard that a little girl that owned two stuffed animals reported them coming alive and fighting with eachother in front of her eyes! The two stuffed animals were a Care Bear and Pappa Smurf.

    -Sab

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