Letter from an anointed reader who DA'd after 33 years

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    M Dogpatch posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:11:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Dear Randy, Early this year I requested disassociation from the org and have been meaning to publish some sort of statement. I was a member for over 33 years and partook of the emblems. Being an older widow it took some deliberation and guts to make the move but am currently very happy with the change. My exit contemplation actually began in 2006 with the examination of WTS chronology and wonderment why they are about the only organization on planet earth that claims 607 was the historic date for the destruction and burning of Jerusalem. It is well proven that 587 or close to that date is the historic fact. In the process I developed my own chronology which was great fun and submitted it to the brothers in the Writing Committee. After about 2 months they responded with a very polite correspondence suggesting I should "wait on the Faithful and Discrete Slave" for any changes but they made no effort at rebuttal of my facts. Of course I knew all about Carl Olof Jonsson's efforts and that they were well informed of the truth already. In fact they have known since 1906 if I am to believe the old WT volumes - so waiting any longer obviously ridiculous. The other humorous factor is I am (or was) considered part of the "faithful and discrete slave class" per their definition. Of course we know it is "only" the Governing Body but they don't put that in print so I found the response even more humorous since I would be waiting upon "myself." Enough for that subject. I would love to share the chronology if anyone has an interest - the Bible itself proves the point quite adequately in my opinion. But for now I thought you might enjoy a short composition I prepared to explain my reasons for leaving - and if you think it worthy you may share with others though I haven't decided whether it is best to remain anonymous for such a contribution or use my "real name" - probably just list as "contributed" like WTS does - LOL. I'm still showing their influence in my actions. But it is the subject and not the person that is of value here. 10 Reasons to Leave (Based on the same reasoning as found in the famous poem) Children Learn What They Live 1) If an organization focuses much of its attention on condemnation of other groups it is teaching its members to become judgmental of one another 2) If an organization is hostile to those outside itself with differing opinions its members may become contentious among themselves, forming cliques of their own 3) If an organization focuses on persecution as proof of their genuineness its members may develop self-pity, the martyrdom complex 4) If an organization is inflexible, rigid, and dogmatic, creating myriads of rules, its members become stubborn, defiant, authoritarian crossing "t's" and dotting "i's" but losing the Spirit 5) If an organization is domineering and controlling its members themselves will lack mercy and kindness, empathy and understanding. In short they will lack love for one another. 6) If an organization continually prods, pushes, and goads its members to increase their commitment and service, its members are being taught to focus on works and achievement 7) If an organization uses guilt as a motivator, its members may withdraw into protective shells and joyous participation disappears 8) If an organization claims itself to be the "faithful and wise servant" its members become self-righteous, hoping for glory and exaltation of men 9) If an organization elevates itself claiming to be the sole channel of God and truth, its members themselves may become proud and arrogant. 10) If an organization practices deceit, its members will become guilty themselves of spiritism People are often attracted to an authoritarian religion Because of a lack of inner security, a feeling of powerlessness Their need for structure and dogmatic certainty may be very high. Principle-centered living will elude them. They will seek their identity in works and prestige. They may feel insignificant and easily become vulnerable to depression. It is not unusual to see them lose balance and good sense, Putting family or other priorities aside, even personal health needs, Assuming all will understand they must be about God's work. Once their emotional worth comes from their group affiliation, They become incapable of an objective search for truth. They lose their freedom or capacity to make independent decisions, Become enslaved, a form of idolatry, Restricted by attitudes, behavior and actions of others, Ruled by fear rather than love. Cognitive dissonance may result, Inner compulsiveness, even immorality functioning as relief valves, On rare occasions even the development of insanity. This last section borrows freely from many sources, Stephen Covey, Don Cameron, and others but was my effort at trying to condense the principles. All the best to you Randy. I love your site and its wide array of info.

    M BluesBrother posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:16:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 10/29/2001

    Brilliant ! .....

    I do not wish to patronize, but she shows a remarkable open and inquiring mind , for one describing herself as an "older widow"

    Go for it sister....enjoy the rest of your life !

    Designer Stubble posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:18:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 12/9/2009

    Takes courage! The numbers are "deep diving" if you ask me.

    F mrsjones5 posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:21:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 10/13/2004

    His "10 Reasons To Leave" is wonderful and so true.

    wasblind posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:21:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 6/13/2010

    i gotta print this and put it on the fridge

    White Dove posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:38:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Probably free to be now that she's no longer under the headship arrangement.

    -Whitedove's Egg

    cantleave posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:42:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    wannabefree posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:45:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Thanks for sharing "contributor" and Randy. Encouraging.

    F AnnOMaly posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:20:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 8/11/2003

    In fact they have known since 1906 if I am to believe the old WT volumes - so waiting any longer obviously ridiculous.

    That's what gets to me too. The Society has known from Russell's time that 607/606 as the date for Jerusalem's destruction was wrong - or at least very shaky. Then I think of Rev. 14:5 being applied to the 144,000 - "and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish" and I think 'Hmm.'

    The other humorous factor is I am (or was) considered part of the "faithful and discrete slave class" per their definition. Of course we know it is "only" the Governing Body but they don't put that in print so I found the response even more humorous since I would be waiting upon "myself."

    That is funny!

    Brava for her courage, by the way.

    miseryloveselders posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:10:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 8/31/2009

    Good letter. I find it fascinating the diversity of ones who are looking for the door. For the most part its younger ones, but theres enough discontent to go around with all sorts of demographics, as evident by this letter.

    I particulary liked point number 4.

    4) If an organization is inflexible, rigid, and dogmatic, creating myriads of rules, its members become stubborn, defiant, authoritarian crossing "t's" and dotting "i's" but losing the Spirit It reminds me of one of the publications the WTS printed that I actually like, "Draw Close to Jehovah." On page 204-205, paragraphs 14, and particulary 15 they pretty much talk about themselves. They compare wordly organizations to heavy and rigid machinery such as a supertanker or freight train. Then they go on to say, "that because of pride, men often refuse to adapt to changing needs and circumstances. Such rigidity has bankrupted corporations and even toppled goverments. How happy we can be that neither Jehovah nor his organization is anything like that!" Maybe the organization is prophetic, self-prophetic at least. Whether its long term, or short, the writing is on the wall IMO.

    ziddina posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:15:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Wooooowwwwweeeeee!!!!

    I LOVE this salty, older lady!!! Who says older people can't leave the Borg???

    Zid

    St George of England posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:19:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    they made no effort at rebuttal of my facts.

    That is very interesting, they made no attempt prove 607 BCE as the correct date. Just accept it because we say so!

    George

    F lisavegas420 posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:38:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    I love the 'waiting on myself' part.

    lisa

    thenoblelodge posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:41:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Thanks for sharing, just shows you're never too old to see through the lies of the Watchtower and be prepared to do something about it.

    M Dogpatch posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:21:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 12/26/2000

    Zid's on a roll!

    happy weekend!

    Randy

    M DaCheech posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:45:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    wish the stupid ones left in would wake up

    palmtree67 posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:51:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Marking

    witnessofjesus posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:30:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    Joined 8/26/2010

    Yes, I've met a few of those who were once JWs at the meetings of the Bible students, found online at http://www.biblestandard.com and other places. Yes, they were fed up with the WTS rigidity and so they left for freedom of conscience, which the Bible students afford all who involve themselves with them. The Bible students are very much opposed to 'organization' of any kind, and even C. T. Russell taught against 'organization' in the old WT's, so the Bible students deny the thought that Russell established the present-day WTS, but that he only meant it to be a publishing arm, not an organization as it has become. I, for one, wish to give heed the following counsel as found in the August 1, 1980 WatchTower, under the article, "Remain 'Solid in the Faith'", where we read the following as quotes therefrom:

    Remain “Solid in the Faith”
    “The inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith.”—1 Tim. 4:1.
    ARE you profoundly shocked and unduly disturbed when you see or hear of a Christian you know yielding to doubts, cooling off and perhaps even becoming rebellious to the point of deserting the Christian congregation and trying to draw others away with him? If so, you may be comforted in knowing that, sad as such occurrences may be, the Scriptures forewarn us that they will happen.
    2 The word “apostasy” comes from a Greek term that means “a standing away from,” “a falling away, defection,” “rebellion, abandonment.” The first one to fall away from the true worship of Jehovah was Satan the Devil. He was therefore the first apostate. (John 8:44) He caused the first human couple to become apostates. (Genesis, chapter 3) Very early in the history of Israel there was a “falling away” or ‘turning aside’ from true worship. We read:
    “Even to their judges they did not listen, but they had immoral intercourse with other gods and went bowing down to them. They quickly turned aside from the way in which their forefathers had walked by obeying the commandments of Jehovah.”—Judg. 2:17.
    3 Later, many of the kings of both Israel and Judah became apostates and led the nations they were ruling over into a course of apostasy. God first punished the northern kingdom of Israel, saying: “Against an apostate nation [Israel] I shall send him [Assyria].” (Isa. 10:6) And just before the destruction of Jerusalem, capital of Judah, by the Babylonians, Jehovah stated: “From the prophets of Jerusalem apostasy has gone forth to all the land.” (Jer. 23:15) Apostasy or falling away from the true faith certainly brought no blessings to Israel and Judah.
    “Solid in the Faith” to the Very End
    21 There can be no doubt that Satan would like to see all of us ‘fall away from the faith.’ So Peter counsels us:
    “Take your stand against him, solid in the faith, knowing that the same things in the way of sufferings are being accomplished in the entire association of your brothers in the world. But, after you have suffered a little while, the God of all undeserved kindness, who called you to his everlasting glory in union with Christ, will himself finish your training, he will make you firm, he will make you strong.”—1 Pet. 5:8-10.
    Yes, those of spiritual Israel, who have been called to reign with Christ in “everlasting glory,” must remain faithful in “the hour of test,” if they wish ‘no one to take their crown.’—2 Tim. 2:10; Rev. 3:10, 11.
    22 Their companions, members of the “great crowd,” also realize that they must remain “solid in the faith” if they wish to “come out of the great tribulation.” (Rev. 7:9, 10, 14) Both those Christians who have the heavenly hope, and their companions whose hope is to live forever in the restored paradise on earth, are determined to continue faithfully preaching “this good news of the kingdom.” (Matt. 24:14) The fine expansion in many parts of the world, down to this year 1980, is proof to them that Jehovah’s blessing is on his organization, and that there is still work to be done. They therefore heed Paul’s counsel: “Let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due season we shall reap if we do not tire out.”—Gal. 6:8, 9.
    23 As we see the things foretold for “the last days” taking place before our very eyes, we have strong confidence that “the great tribulation” and the dawning of God’s righteous new order are right at the doors. The marvelous blessings that lie just ahead for us, either in heaven or in the earthly paradise, give us “strong encouragement” to remain “solid in the faith” to the very end, in order to “lay hold on the hope set before us.”—Heb. 6:17-19.
    “But you, beloved ones, by building up yourselves on your most holy faith, and praying with holy spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love, while you are waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view.”—Jude 20, 21.

    witnessofjesus posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:35:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    ‘Snatching the Doubters out of the Fire’
    19 Since we have been warned that “some will fall away from the faith,” we should be ready “to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.” (1 Tim. 4:1; Jude 3) But a distinction needs to be made between trouble-making apostates, as mentioned in 2 Peter, chapter 2, and Christians who become weak in faith and have doubts through lack of accurate knowledge. Jude makes this distinction. After warning against “murmurers, complainers,” who “are admiring personalities,” and against “ridiculers,” who “are the ones that make separations,” he says: “Keep yourselves in God’s love, while you are waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view. Also, continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.”—Jude 16-23.
    20 Yes, such doubters need to be shown that they are in danger of being consumed by destructive doubts. Their Christian brothers, and particularly the elders, should endeavor to help them, snatching them, if at all possible, out of the “fire” that could destroy them spiritually. As to those who refuse such patient, loving help and who really “fall away from the faith,” we should not be unduly disturbed. With the apostle John, we will say: “They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.”—1 John 2:19.

    I plan on getting baptized as a Jehovah's Witness in 2015, and I encourage those of you who are having doubts, to stick around. Now, to the one who claims to be of the anointed class, may I warn you personally, that should you fall away, you will take yourself 'outside of the doorposts' of Jehovah's protection, and there be subject to the 'angel of death' as given in the type found in Exodus, when God sent the death angel to kill all the 'firstborn of Egypt', if you'll recall, the Israelites were told to put the blood on the doorposts and to keep the firstborn inside the house that night, and as the Little Flock, or Anointed one, or faithful and discreet slave class are antitypically the 'firstborn from the dead', they are alone in danger of 'second death' should they prove unfaithful to Jehovah. Again, I urge you to reconsider and to talk with your congregational elders in regards to this.

    wasblind posted Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:36:00 GMT(9/4/2010)

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    The Organization that you are speaking up for

    claim to be Jehovah's Witnesses. you might want

    to change the name of your avatar to "DRUNK UNCLE"

    because you don't know if your comin' or goin'

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